Need Help on my Iron downgrade :(

[eddie33081]

Hey everyone.

Im looking to actually downgrade my clubs to less of a players club. I currently have Mizuno mp-60's and really liked them when I first got them but my swing isnt really where it needs to be to play these consistently.

About 2 years ago I reached my best scoring average which was at about a 10 handicap. Back then I would say that my ball striking capabilities where right at the mp60s level but now I've regressed due to lack of playing time.

I was looking at probably keeping the mp-60's but playing something else for a while so that golf can be fun for now. Basically a club that forgiving but still has potential to be a players club. Take into the account im coming from mp-60s...

I shoot in the high 80's now.

Here is what I was looking at, any suggestions welcomed.

Callaway x-22's, Callaway x-20, Callaway x-20 Tours, TITLEIST AP1. Any others?


Thanks!

[youngskip40]

Hey everyone.

I think the Mizuno MP 52's might still be in your range? That way you won't completely lose the feel of your Mizuno irons.

[RocketSauce]

Callaway x-22's, Callaway x-20, Callaway x-20 Tours, TITLEIST AP1. Any others?

any one of those would be great for you. how about TaylorMade's? Out of the ones you listed, my choice would be either the X22's or the AP1's. but then again, its all up to you

[Stacey_E]

I haven't hit the MP 52s but they sound like they might be right for you. I am in exactly the same boat. I was playing Cleveland CG2 player's irons last year. I did get down to low 80s with a few scores of 79. I went to the MX23s and LOVE them. Maybe try the MX25s, MX23s, MX200s? I personally feel the X series Callaways would be a little too much GI for you. I have nothing against the Callaways. Great sticks since the X12s!

[clearwaterms]

i have demo'd alot of clubs recently, and I really like the MX line from Mizuno. Having hit the mp60 and mx25 back to back, I think you will be very impressed with the mx line and would suggest looking at them.

i hit the callaway x20's today and i honestly prefer the mx line from mizuno

[elsito99]

I've read in a lot of places how people that hit a lot of irons think the Wilson Ci7's are better than the ap2, x20, etc...


And less than $400 new.

I am planning on getting a set in a few weeks. I still play my first set, some forged chinese knockoffs, so hopefully the Ci7's get me on the low teens for a HCP as they will be much easier to hit.

[eddie33081]

Ok, I really do like Mizuno so their more GI oriented irons are definitely in the running now. From what I saw Im looking at either mx200 or maybe even sell the mp60's for the the mp52's.

Now Im confused :( . Are the mp52's much more forgiving them the mp60's?

Or stick with maybe the x22's and keep the mp60's....

[jrwingate6]

I think you would benefit from a iron with a slight cavity with nice feel and workability. My suggestions for you would be the fallowing.


Callaway X22's- More forgiving than workable with little feel. (Cast) $700

Cleveland CG Red- Moderately workable, decent forgiveness, little feel. (Cast) $500

Mizuno MX-25- More Forgiving than workable with good feel. (Forged) $500

Mizuno MP-52- Slightly workable while being decently forgiving with great feel. (Forged) $900

Nike VR Splitback's- Very workable, surprisingly good forgiveness with great feel. (Forged) I went with these after hitting all these Irons I listed. In my opinion their feel and workability was unmatched. $900

Titleist AP2's- Very Workable, decent forgiveness and good feel. (Forged) $1000


Again, this is based on personal opinion. I am only giving you some options to consider.

[eddie33081]

JR what is your evaluation of the mp-60 just so I can see where it fits in.


Thanks

[Ian]

x-20's are nice clubs, they look much nicer than the 22's and from what i hear they play relatively the same..

[Shorty]

Hey everyone.

I think you are making a mistake.

MP-60s are fantastic irons. A great compromise for those wanting forgiveness in a players' (groan) iron. Players in a wide range of abilities should be able to play these and they don't look like something you attach to a tractor. If you sold them and moved to a chunky GI iron you'd be wishing you hadn't very quickly. The worst mistake I ever made was to go from a set of Titleist "players" irons to a set of mid sized GI irons. Affected my ball-striking considerably (in a very negative way) and I bought the MP-60s and love them.

[tjy355]

Hey everyone.

Why is that a downgrade? I fail to see the logic.

If you are switching to clubs that better fit your game and help your score, that's an UPGRADE.

[David in FL]

Why is that a downgrade? I fail to see the logic.

Gotta admit, that was my immediate thought too. You just beat me to it!

Anything that helps me score better is an upgrade to whatever it replaced. Style, manufacturer, color, price, manufacturing process, material, et.al......none matter a hoot next to those numbers in the little boxes.

[jrwingate6]

JR what is your evaluation of the mp-60 just so I can see where it fits in.

I thought the MP-60 was a little more workable but a little less forgiving than the MP-52.

[ks8829]

trying watching these video

http://thesandtrap.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21680

iron suggestions are the following Mizuno mx 23, 25, 100 or Mizuno comp ez irons

[RocketSauce]

I've read in a lot of places how people that hit a lot of irons think the Wilson Ci7's are better than the ap2, x20, etc...

i agree, the Wilson Staff line has some really impressive clubs (Ci7, Di7, Pi7). i would take a look at those too. a lot of people forget about them but the Staff line is good stuff.

[eddie33081]

Yeah I know its not a downgrade. I just called it that because my game was much better a few years ago and these clubs fit my swing. Since my game has downgraded I'm calling it a club downgrade because the mp60's are not forgiving enough for my swing. I went from trying to work the ball to more trying to hit it consistently straight.

Im basically looking for a club that will be forgiving while Im playing less (so the game will be fun) but gives me headroom to be more of a players club down the road if/when Im able to play more.

Would it be safe to say the mp-60's are too similar to the mp-52's?

If so, I may look elsewhere. Maybe mx200's or x-22's..or (insert your suggestion here)


Thanks again for your replies....

[PiKapp23]

Yeah I know its not a downgrade. I just called it that because my game was much better a few years ago and these clubs fit my swing. Since my game has downgraded I'm calling it a club downgrade because the mp60's are not forgiving enough for my swing. I went from trying to work the ball to more trying to hit it consistently straight.

I spent quite a bit of time testing the MP-52 and MP-57 models and really liked both. I ended up buying the MP-60's (slightly used for a great deal) once I realized that there was not a big difference between those 3 models. The 57 is 'slightly' more forgiving than the 60's and the 52 is a little more forgiving that than (but not that much). If you are wanting a more forgiving set, one thing you could do is purchase the longer irons from the MX-200 set and continue to use the shorter irons from the MP-60 set. You could have the lofts adjusted to fill gaps and this would be cheaper and maybe better in the long run than buying a set that you soon feel you've outgrown, but at the sametime providing more forgivness where you need it. Mixed sets like this are not that unusual these days. I am contemplating going with a 4-6 of either the MP-52 or maybe even MX-200's (maybe even MX-23/25) myself.