Taylormade TP balls

[iacas]

You're making me laugh. A quote is a quote. Your words, quit whining and seriously Erik, don't take yourself so serious, really two paragraphs explaining your words? C'mon man. Lighten up.

Wasn't whining - was just explaining the context. And if quotes don't matter, well:

I've played Prov1 since they came out, and my opinion is nothing has ever been even close as good.

There, that's taking it less seriously, right?

[danieldsuh]

I found one of these last week and I will try playing it tomorrow.

[slide13]

Just picked up 2 dozen TP-Black for $55. Seemed a nice price for a premium ball and I've heard so many good things I figured I'd give them a try. I hope to be as impressed as others in this thread.

[Divot Tool]

With the current TP Black LDP, I've noticed that it offers more bite around the greens, more so than the TP Red. Yet, the TP Red LDP is noticeably softer than the black, which I thought was odd. I've always associated spin with softness, but I'm sure the engineers who work for the top 5 ball manufacturers have a few tricks up their sleeves. To be honest, I still don't hit the ball consistently enough to notice a discernible difference in ball flights, but I'm sure many of the accomplished players here on thesandtrap.com can attest to subtleties of each ball.

Ball construction has really improved over the years with manufacturing processes and materials. The TP balls are an example of that. They are both quality balls no doubt.

Having said that though, in my opinion I feel the 2007 Pro V1 was exceptional around the greens, superior feel and really the benchmark if you will. However, greenside spin-although important-is only one aspect of a ball. I have yet to try the 2009 Titleist offerings.

[MSB256]

Wasn't whining - was just explaining the context. And if quotes don't matter, well:

Ha... point Erik. Not to instigate, but that was a pretty good one...

And I will agree, it's not as easy as saying tp red = proV1 and tp black = prov1x Actually, off the driver, the tp red would equal the proV1x. Between the tp black and tp red, the red is suppose to be the ball for less spin and lower trajectory off the driver. It says it right on the box. Isn't the proV1x the lower trajectory, less spin off the driver ball for titleist?

[iacas]

Actually, off the driver, the tp red would equal the proV1x. Between the tp black and tp red, the red is suppose to be the ball for less spin and lower trajectory off the driver. It says it right on the box. Isn't the proV1x the lower trajectory, less spin off the driver ball for titleist?

Higher trajectory, less spin = Pro V1x.

Lower trajectory, more spin = Pro V1. Lower trajectory, less spin = TP Red. Higher trajectory, more spin = TP Black. I think. I posted this awhile ago and quoted a long bit from Dean Snell. Do a search and you should find it.

[opie]

Grr.. obviously my research sucks... I ordere teh Blacks but should have ordered reds.. dang

[svchiefs19]

i have to go with what a few others have said... my game isnt quite good enough to benefit fully from a premium ball. hopefully towards the end of the season ill be able to get more out of a premium ball. and when i do get to that point, the TPs are the first balls im going to try.

just ordered 2 dozen Taylormade Burner TPs; im looking forward to trying those out instead.

[jamo]

Wasn't whining - was just explaining the context. And if quotes don't matter, well:

hahaha touche

[mikelaw]

Gdigest 2009 ball review reports the black and red as having similar spin rates but different launch rates off the wedge and I have to agree... Erik is correct, red less spin and lower trajectory.

[youngskip40]

Higher trajectory, less spin = Pro V1x.

I'm a bit confused, I did find a couple of your posts on this matter, along with the review of the 2008 TM Ball Lineup and read them. It seems that the review and subsequent posts suggest that the TP Red is for the player who seeks a ball with a higher spin rate (like the Pro V1). The TM website claims that it is for the player "looking for less spin," which is what this last quote suggests as well. Evidently I'm not the only one confused as I find more and more posts that are contradictory, and many posts about TaylorMade's marketing being either a bit hazy or flip-flopping on what it is that each ball does. Any chance that they have "officially" cleared this up in any way? My understanding is that the TP Red is a low/mid launch ball with low spin, and that the TP Black is a high launch ball with high spin... therefore: TP Black = Pro V1 only in the regard that it is a higher spinning ball than the V1x... and TP Black = ProV1x in that it is a higher launching ball than the V1. So then, TP Red ≠ either ProV offering, but is a different animal altogether?

[mikelaw]

young skip, bstone b330 v tp red.

one vote for the tp red if you ask me...

[MSB256]

I'm a bit confused, I did find a couple of your posts on this matter, along with the review of the 2008 TM Ball Lineup and read them.

I believe Erik has it right...

Red = lower trajectory, less spin black = higher trajectory, more spin The description on the sleeve of balls is more clear, so if you need to see it for yourself, open a box and look at the sleeve of balls. Obviously Taylormade should have been more clear or else we wouldn't have been so confused in the first place.

[iacas]

I'm a bit confused, I did find a couple of your posts on this matter, along with the review of the 2008 TM Ball Lineup and read them.

FWIW, we never reviewed the 2008 TP balls.

Any chance that they have "officially" cleared this up in any way?

I already did:

there's the first search result for "dean snell" posted by me (though that may change now since I've posted his name twice in here now). Synopsis: they changed the balls from their first versions. TP Red launches lower and has less spin. TP Black launches higher and maintains the already high level of spin the first version had.

TP Black = Pro V1 only in the regard that it is a higher spinning ball than the V1x...

That's what I said, yeah.

And to those who think TaylorMade screwed the pooch on their marketing, you bet. Everyone's confused. Including their marketing department.

[youngskip40]

FWIW, we never reviewed the 2008 TP balls.

Yup, my bad, I was looking at

this , so I guess the word I was looking for was article.

I already did:

Gotcha. I missed that post. Thanks for linking. Yup, that about clears it up. Certainly a bit of a bizarre combination... but may work pretty well for me anyway.

That's what I said, yeah.

It all makes sense now... I just read a few posts that said otherwise and got a bit mixed up.

[DES NUTTZ]

i have to go with what a few others have said... my game isnt quite good enough to benefit fully from a premium ball. hopefully towards the end of the season ill be able to get more out of a premium ball. and when i do get to that point, the TPs are the first balls im going to try.

It says in your sig you are playing the NXT's from Titleist. Aren't they $25 a dozen or so? Right now TP's are 2 for $55 which is $27.50 so you are only investing an additional $2.50 per dozen...

[bioman]

Ok, which ball is for higher swing speeds or does that not matter with these balls? How is the green spin between the two? Will the red still spin back nicely?

I'm looking for something comparable to the Srixon Z Star X, since my swing speed is on the higher end.

[buttuh]

I don't think swing speed matters between these two. Most of my approach shots hopped and stopped within 5 feet. A few spun back anywhere from about 3 to 10 feet. I had 2 long approach shots over 170 that were drawing and coming in hot and they both held the green. That was the biggest surprise for me.

I have not tried the Black, but from what I'm getting with the Red, I don't think I'd want to.

Ok, which ball is for higher swing speeds or does that not matter with these balls? How is the green spin between the two? Will the red still spin back nicely?