Dumb question -- how do I lie on this?

[McGolf-Doggie]

Dumb question -- how do I lie on this?

I'm still a bit of a simpleton when it comes to calculating/the rules a bit sometimes. Usually provisionals occur on my tee shots rarely is it an iron shot.

First hole

Stroke 1 -- driver to right rough just a little off fairway but with a tree somewhat between it and the hole, but there's room to punch through, because wedge would surely hit the branches aloft.

Stroke 2 -- 7 iron pulled, hits tree trunk deflects into oblivion (looks to be probably lost)

Stroke ? Provisional ball 7 iron from same spot, punched nicely onto green. (The original ball was not found.)

How do I lie now?/what # stroke is my first putt?


Thanks,
McDoggie

[opie]

Pretty sure the 2nd 7 iron was stroke 4 (lost ball). So if you make the putt your got a 5

[jonnythan]

Stroke 3 is replacing the ball to the original spot, stroke 4 is your shot onto the green. First putt is stroke 5. Rule 27-1.

http://golf.about.com/cs/rulesofgolf/a/rule27.htm

[McGolf-Doggie]

Thanks, that's how I [thought] I had scored it, btu I'd assessed my self an extra penalty stroke when I did the tally in the bar afterward, to be on the safe side. [Hey who wants to add strokes later if they were wrong about a rule?]



I had wrote in a 6 on the score card in the bar, but I just checked the details and it was actually a 1 putt; my only one of the day. Turns out I had assessed myself an extra penalty stroke until I knew for sure.

I thought it was a 6 all told for a nice double bogey. Turns out it was a bogey.
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The concept that the next "stroke" is replacing the lost ball, and the stroke after that is actually hitting it, should help me remember next time, thanks.

[PhilsRHman]

The concept that the next "stroke" is replacing the lost ball, and the stroke after that is actually hitting it, should help me remember next time, thanks.

The way I always remember it, whether into water, OB, etc, is 1 in, 2 out, hitting 3. Then you don't even have to worry about which is the penalty stroke, etc.

Tee shot lost (1 in) Bringing it back out (2 out) Hitting three

[Zeph]

I count the balls landing on the ground/hazard. First it's the tee, that's 1. Next shot goes in the water, that's two shots. Then I drop the ball, three shots, hitting my next, four shots.

[aschaefer]

your first putt is stroke 5. not really sure what was so difficult to figure out. if you hit a ball OB, you have to hit a provisional ball and add a penalty stroke. it's like adding 2 strokes to your score before you've even hit the ball in the first place (before you hit it OB)