The Stack and Tilt Golf Swing

[nutty88]

I have been golfing for the past 12 years almost on a weekly basis and have gone through good and bad times. However, the past many months have been on a downhill mainly due to my swing. Over the years, I have not really engaged a coach and I am pretty much a self learned golfers by reading forums/magazine and watching golf channels. My current handicap stands at 13.2 and the course I usually play has a rating of 74.1/132 off the blue tees.

I have come across S&T; a few years back but didn't quite believe in the method and have been sticking to a conventional swing. My last change was to try and adopt Ben Hogan swing and I must say I did well only for a game or two. I then decided to revisit S&T; about 3 weeks ago and have been trying out the swing methods. I have read the book, watched numerous videos and also practice it at the range. I must say it is not that easy to make the switch and I am still struggling. However, I realised that I have better contacts playing off mat and I have captured a video of my swing which hopefully can receive some comments.

Somehow, I noticed that my left shoulder doesn't dip low enough which causes my shoulder to turn on a level plan. I also realised that my club head has gone way past parallel, my head moved a little to the right during my backswing and I am still having trouble with the finishing.

[Bob Grissett]

In my opinion you need to see a S&T; teacher..Where do you live.. You are turning level in both directions. But you cannot do this on your own,,,

[iacas]

  Bob Grissett said:

Originally Posted by Bob Grissett

In my opinion you need to see a S&T; teacher..Where do you live.. You are turning level in both directions. But you cannot do this on your own,,,

I believe he lives in Singapore.

nutty88, check out http://evolvr.com/ .

[nutty88]

  Bob Grissett said:

In my opinion you need to see a S&T; teacher..Where do you live.. You are turning level in both directions. But you cannot do this on your own,,,

Hi Bob, Thanks. I did notice the level turn but wondering if there are drills that will correct it. Unfortunately no coach here teaches S&T.; I am from a fine country where they will fine you for every offences like littering, spitting, etc. It is a country that bans chewing gum and you can't even buy it. It is just a tiny dot on the world map and one will be caned for serious offences like vandalism, rape, molest, drug trafficking, etc. :)

[nutty88]

  iacas said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Grissett

In my opinion you need to see a S&T; teacher..Where do you live.. You are turning level in both directions. But you cannot do this on your own,,,

I believe he lives in Singapore.

nutty88, check out http://evolvr.com/ .

Amazing!!! How did you know its Singapore?

[segagolf]

Too loosy-goosy, and hitting off the back foot...step into it, and get better balance!

[byou79]

Do the fundamentals of keeping my wrist flat on the backswing and the bowing (supination) of my lead wrist on the dowswing through impact still apply for the S&T; swing?

I am a CONSTANT flipper and either topping the ball or hitting it very thin...

[Shaggie13]

  byou79 said:

Originally Posted by byou79

Do the fundamentals of keeping my wrist flat on the backswing and the bowing (supination) of my lead wrist on the dowswing through impact still apply for the S&T; swing?

I am a CONSTANT flipper and either topping the ball or hitting it very thin...

In any swing for a right handed golfer you want a flat left wrist at impact and the right wrist is bent.

I'm sure you have heard this before, and seen it many times, you can do this motion with pitches and small swings easily.  The problem most of us hackers have is when we try to have this position with your hands and wrists during the full swing and our body doesn't move properly to allow this to happen.

Not seeing your swing, I would say you are flipping due to the fact you are not moving towards the target on the down swing, or you moved so far off the ball on the back swing, etc..., so in order for you to reach the ball the hands break down and flip at the ball.

The is a lot of good information on this site.  Look at http://thesandtrap.com/t/29616/the-biggest-secret-slide-your-hips

[Gaudencio Obial]

l need to try the Stack and tilt method but l don't  know any instructor near me--  in Citrus county  or even in Ocala. Can you help me?

[Hollister]

  Gaudencio Obial said:

Originally Posted by Gaudencio Obial

l need to try the Stack and tilt method but l don't  know any instructor near me--  in Citrus county  or even in Ocala. Can you help me?

The best place to for S&T; instructors is here: http://stackandtilt.com/stackandtilt-instructors/

If you do not find one in your vicinity, just use the email link and ask them - their lists might be a little outdated.

[golflax65]

I have been studying this swing and practicing it daily for the past couple of weeks but in my research and practice there's something I'm not sure of, and I feel it's a reason for my inconsistencies.

It pertains to the downswing, and how the knuckles and shaft are parallel with the ground, and it's a bit difficult to articulate. Right now I am using the once piece take-away and hinging my wrists at the top of my backswing. My questions are, what initiates the downswing, is it the lateral hip movement? Do I keep my wrists locked through impact? Or do I keep them locked until the shaft and knuckles are parallel and then loosen them up right before impact?

I've been playing around with it a bit and I feel like if I keep my wrists locked until and through impact that it would require a great deal of hip slide and the upper body tilting away from the target, which if I understand correctly is the form. It just feels a bit unnatural and tight compared to letting the wrists soften up a bit upon impact (which means less tilt away from the target at impact) but I think the wrist softening is the cause for my inconsistent shots. Are the hips doing all the work to get through the downswing or is there wrist movement involved that I am unaware of?

[iceman777]

I switched to the stack and tilt a few months ago and its worked pretty well . I have modiifed some of the aspects to better suit my swing . Its a good idea to invest in the book to get the fundamentals . I found that I was too erratic when I brought my hands way inside on the backswing , as suggested . Now I concentrate on taking my hands over my toes. The key is keeping the weight on the left side . Again , with shorter clubs , I don 't sway forward as much as iwith driver .  The method does call for  a lateral move of the hips  vs a turning . I find that is much easier than the conventional turning . I think if you go to the range you can modify certain aspects of the method but remember the weight on the left foot is key . Re the wrists , once I get to the top of the backswing , there is no conscious thought , I get to the top and begin the downswing with a sway towards the target ..

[segagolf]

Brutal technique...you will get stuck if you stay on the left side throughout! Not natural at all!

[Shaggie13]

  segagolf said:

Originally Posted by segagolf

Brutal technique...you will get stuck if you stay on the left side throughout! Not natural at all!

Yes because swaying off the ball with a move to the right is the most efficient way to hit an stationary object. [sarcasm]

Besides that, you don't really keep your weight on your left side during the back swing, it just feels like that to all the golfers who have for years slide their back hips away from the target.  It is more of a center pivot swing.

[poser]

  segagolf said:

Originally Posted by segagolf

Brutal technique...you will get stuck if you stay on the left side throughout! Not natural at all!

All your 19 posts have been negative and in the stack and tilt thread.  Get a life and a real handicap.

[golflax65]

After checking my swing again in the mirror, it looks like my left knee is caving inwards way too much, indicating my lower body is way too active on the downswing. When I'm practicing sometimes it's hard to realize this, are there any tips / drills to help reduce that lower body movement on the backswing?

[Shaggie13]

  golflax65 said:

Originally Posted by golflax65

After checking my swing again in the mirror, it looks like my left knee is caving inwards way too much, indicating my lower body is way too active on the downswing. When I'm practicing sometimes it's hard to realize this, are there any tips / drills to help reduce that lower body movement on the backswing?

I would be good to see your swing, but one good tip to keep the left knee from caving inward towards the right knee is to flare your feet out.  This will allow your legs to move properly during the swing.  The left need moves towards the target line.

Check this set of images showing the flared feet and the proper lower body movement.

[Prncinghrse]

Which DVD set is the one to get? I'm a novice golfer. Thanks