Report: Jordan taught Tiger how to womanize

[Shindig]

I don't respect him as a person or a golfer, he has brought a lot of shame to the sport.

I'm not sure how that affects him as a golfer. Can you please clarify?

This was the equivalent to steroids in baseball.

So, sleeping with plenty of strange women helps you hit the ball farther?

That's what I've been doing wrong!

[Dry Ink]

How much clarity do you need? Tiger is a professional, therefore he needs to act like a professional, on and off the course. His actions are what will help set him aside from other great players, because he lacks class. There is a reason that golf involves so much etiquette, and respect for the others around you. There have been many ways it has affected him as a golfer, he lost a lot of endorsement deals, thus losing fans, and customers. The negative press is what is equal to the steroid scandal, not the performance aspect obviously.

[Shindig]

How much clarity do you need? Tiger is a professional, therefore he needs to act like a professional, on and off the course.

I used to work as a computer programmer. Does that obligate me to watch

Star Trek when I'm at home? Also, I'd be curious what aspect of professional golfer off the course says to limit one's options.

His actions are what will help set him aside from other great players, because he lacks class. There is a reason that golf involves so much etiquette, and respect for the others around you.

Do we know that he has been disrespectful to anyone to whom he owes respect? You and I don't know what type of relationship he has with Elin and the kids don't understand what is happening. To whom do you know he owes respect that he did not deliver?

There have been many ways it has affected him as a golfer, he lost a lot of endorsement deals, thus losing fans, and customers. The negative press is what is equal to the steroid scandal, not the performance aspect obviously.

We don't know how it affected him as a golfer. For all we know, he could go out and shoot a 54 on Thursday. I know that Gatorade and AT&T; lost a customer (me) due to their shameful response to the Woods news pieces, but I don't see how that reflects negatively on golf. And the fan count doesn't affect him: he's going to be the best for a long time, independent of how many people are rooting for or against him.

[J_Bone]

Seriously. Also, did Elin somehow not know he was into this? Or did this thing with Tiger and Jordan start after the marriage?

From what I've heard......She knew that he was seeing other women, but he told and lied to her that while dating, he was faithful. That was a stipulation for there marriage. Then he continued to lie about it all.

[Dry Ink]

I used to work as a computer programmer. Does that obligate me to watch

Did you really just compare your job as a computer programmer to that of a professional athlete? How often are you in the spotlight again? You then follow up that claim with a comparison of infidelity and Star Trek.

Did you accomplish what you wanted with that post?

[Shindig]

Did you really just compare your job as a computer programmer to that of a professional athlete? How often are you in the spotlight again?

I did make that comparison. I'm in the spotlight for less time than Tiger is. Do you only behave in a manner expected of you when others are watching? Would your view of Tiger's behavior change if you were the only one who knew, and you couldn't tell anyone? What if he, instead, were Eldrick the accountant who plays well on weekends?

You then follow up that claim with a comparison of infidelity and Star Trek.

I dunno. I think expecting a computer programmer to watch

Star Trek is a lot more reasonable than expecting a good-looking, famous, wealthy man to stick with one woman. Maybe I should have made a weaker claim, such as expecting the programmer to drink Mountain Dew. I'm not sure what your point is.

Did you accomplish what you wanted with that post?

Yes. However, I seem to have also gotten this far off topic, so unless it returns to the topic of the thread, I'm going to stop with this line of argument.

[PuttPutt]

Jordan even toted girlfriends under his arm in public while he was still married! I didn't realize most people didn't know this.

I am one of those who didn't know

I am an avid Jordan fan even.

[ApocG10]

How much clarity do you need? Tiger is a professional, therefore he needs to act like a professional, on and off the course. His actions are what will help set him aside from other great players, because he lacks class. There is a reason that golf involves so much etiquette, and respect for the others around you. There have been many ways it has affected him as a golfer, he lost a lot of endorsement deals, thus losing fans, and customers. The negative press is what is equal to the steroid scandal, not the performance aspect obviously.

Your spouting crap with no realistic basis whatsoever. Tigers personal life is not akin to steroids in baseball. He is not cheating at the game, he is legitimately the best golfer in the world. I dont care what he did off the course. Its none of my business. I've read the stories, I know what happened, and im still fine with him. He made mistakes, got too big for his own good, lost sight of things. Big deal, he's human. He makes mistakes.

[bIGwIRE]

Ummm...athletes aren't role models. Didn't Sir Charles say that? or was it Jordan? can't remember.... anyway, its true.

[PuttPutt]

Ummm...athletes aren't role models. Didn't Sir Charles say that? or was it Jordan? can't remember.... anyway, its true.

It was Sir Charles and in his exact words: "I'm not paid to be a role model. I'm paid to wreak havoc on the basketball court."

[Boilermaker]

When athletes are recruited into the pro ranks such as the nfl, nba, and so forth they are judged by their performance in their particular sport. I have never watched a draft day or a Q school that awarded or took away points for monogamy. I agree that what Tiger has done is disappointing but I can understand it. He is the most wealthy and famous athlete in the world. The most beautiful women are offered up to him I'm sure every day. Any man that can sit here and say that he could turn that down is fooling himself. It's easy to say when your not in that situation and have no concept of it. That being said, I feel alot of the bashing is coming from another direction. Tiger has been under a microscope since he came on the scene and people have been looking for some small chink in the armor to pick at and they finally found it. The problem though is that it has nothing to do with golf no matter how much they try to fuse the two. Tiger is still the number one player in golf and will be for quite a while. He brought his C+ game to the masters and still hung close to Phil playing his best. I can't wait until the rust is polished off.

[Jay-Bird]

Does anyone think "institutionalized racism" and it's counterpart of entitlement play into this. Yesterday and today's non-white superstars grew up in a pretty racist America.

During their youth, Jordan was shunned by white coaches, Tiger would sneak onto play "exclusive" golf courses. Is it possible that they grew up with the attitude of "F--- Whitey" - and when they became superstars they were able to literally F--- whitey.

Jordan and Tiger seemingly only bang white chicks.

It's a big F.U. to the white-man-world their fathers raised them in.