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Matt, two quick things:

  • One of the points of the "right elbow thing" is that you're supposed to feel that you stop when the right forearm goes above horizontal. See the image below.
  • To make a big enough backswing with the arm swing stopping at point one, you're required to turn quite a bit.

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You can turn a bit more, hinge a bit more, but your backswing should stop here or you're failing at the first bullet point as your forearm is going above horizontal here, and yet your swing continues on and even seems to accelerate past this point.

Tough love segment: at the end of the day, shortening the swing is big for you because your arms run on too long and then your path and contact get wonky. You've got a bunch of tools to help you shorten the swing, but you have to actually do them.

This isn't "doing them:"

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Sounds good! 

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Range session with a new training aide.

Trying to keep the swing shorter. 

Now the driver


I may need to do the right elbow sooner in the swing. I feel like I don’t do it much when the swing is shorter. I got issues with my lack of extension in my left side. Lots of kneed bend.

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TURN.

😉

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Driving range session trying to keep the swing shorter and turn better 😉

 

 

Here is a face on view. 

 

1. I can do the shortening part better.
2. so, the issue I have is that I can’t feel like I can turn through the shot well. Basically, from A5.5 to A7, the club feels stuck. Majority of my shots are slightly fat to slightly thin. 

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Keep doing it.

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Struggled a lot at the range. My feels were,

Keep the swing shorter, right elbow stuff and turn better. 

outcomes were not good when I try to take a swing at the ball. Lots of thins and fatted shots. 6 iron was going low in trajectory and either pull draws or big push cuts. The swing feels stuck. It feels like I have no room in the downswing to use my hands or arms. 

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You’re allowed to get your elbow off your rib cage.

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37 minutes ago, iacas said:

You’re allowed to get your elbow off your rib cage.

I presume the downswing?

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3 hours ago, saevel25 said:

I presume the downswing?

Backswing

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14 hours ago, iacas said:

You’re allowed to get your elbow off your rib cage.

This is something it took me a while to realize. I was so focused on staying connected that I kept my elbow glued to my side. I found that the early day COVID drills really helped with that. Day 3 I think. Maybe day 2 where we swing to the top with left arm only and then place right arm on the club at the top. Extremely helpful drill. 

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1 hour ago, Antneye said:

I found that the early day COVID drills really helped with that. Day 3 I think. Maybe day 2 where we swing to the top with left arm only and then place right arm on the club at the top. Extremely helpful drill. 

I remember that drill, and it might be something I go back and look at. 

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Swing 1 - Turn better on Backswing, right elbow off chest more ( feels like hands push away from right shoulder)

Swing 2 - Similar feels to swing 1, but added a bit of sway feel on the backswing. Feeling like my torso shifts to the right in the backswing. Trying to give myself room/time to get my right side through. 

 

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Played 9 holes this afternoon. For the most part the following feels worked pretty good. 

1. better sync with arms and turn in the backswing. 

2. slight sway away from target to A3.5.

3. Right elbow more off the chest at A3 feel. 

The results were solid contact. Thins and fat shots went away. Ball flight was decent. The miss was a push right. I didn’t hook any of the shots. 

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11 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Played 9 holes this afternoon. For the most part the following feels worked pretty good. 

1. better sync with arms and turn in the backswing. 

2. slight sway away from target to A3.5.

3. Right elbow more off the chest at A3 feel. 

The results were solid contact. Thins and fat shots went away. Ball flight was decent. The miss was a push right. I didn’t hook any of the shots. 

Good. We'll have less to do on Sunday.

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Went to to Erie for a lesson session and play 18. 

Backswing Priority - Arms stay passive as body turns. Right arm stays loose and relaxed. 

Downswing Priority - Let knee gain a big of flex so it travels down and towards target more in downswing. Then explode with extension in the left side. 

Shot Shape Stuff - Work on face to path control. Especially with driver, getting the path less outward. 

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It's all close. Arms will feel like they don't go past 3, shaft not past vertical. FEEL.

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11 minutes ago, iacas said:

It's all close. Arms will feel like they don't go past 3, shaft not past vertical. FEEL.

Sounds good 👍

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Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
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