Taylormade Balls

[jamo]

Cornbread, can you show us where you got this information so as to back up your claims/statements?

I would imagine he is getting the C3=TP from this thread on Golf WRX (that I found my searching Maxfli C3 Gold on Google) :

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/...-c3-golf-ball/ But the site the OP on that thread links to does not work, and the thread is 2 years old. So old that, in fact, Dick's Sporting Goods (parent company of Maxfli) doesn't even list the C3 ball on their website. Dick's bought Maxfli in 2008, when they were owned by Taylor Made, when that thread was created. That would mean that potentially they could have been rebranding the TP as the C3. Currently Maxfli does make tour style urethane balls, but they are $30-$40, a price that I personally am not willing to pay for Maxflis.

[Cornbread]

Cornbread, can you show us where you got this information so as to back up your claims/statements?

I read it about 4 weeks ago. Can't remember if it was on Golf WRX or somewhere else. It was a link to and Independant Tests/Study in a Golf Magazine of the top 63 Golf Balls. They were Tested at swing speeds of 80, 90, 100, 110 mph. It gave flight/carry distance, and deviation from straight (either left or right) at landing point.

I see if I can find the magazine article.

[Cornbread]

So Many Drivers, So Little TimeBy Sean Smith, Owner, Uinta Golf

As usual, we’ve been keeping our robot very busy this year testing the latest releases from golf’s top club manufacturers. Based on the requests of our readers, we thought it would be fun to publish the results of our testing for ALL drivers, rather than just a select few at a time. This way you can easily compare from club to club.

2010 Driver Tests (Episode 1)By Sean Smith, Owner, Uinta Golf

As the new golf season draws near...

...you will not find a shortage of new drivers in the marketplace! Golf manufacturers continue turning out new products and we keep testing them on our swing robot to see what improvements have been made.

More and more of our customers are telling us that they like the data we are getting from our robot testing, so one of our goals this year is to try and provide updates to you more often. Be sure to click on the link at the bottom of this article to cast your vote on which drivers we test next.

In this edition of Tech Update, we share the results of three new drivers for 2010.


We will first compare these drivers to the prior models they are replacing. Second, we will compare them to the average of all drivers we have tested over the past two seasons.


Callaway Diablo Edge

Callaway describes the features and benefits of the Diablo Edge in this way:

• 4-Piece Fused Titanium for distance-enhancing, penetrating ball-flight.
• Chemically Milled Hyberbolic Face Cup for their most consistently highest ball speeds ever.
• More aerodynamic head design for higher impact speeds.

We tested this club at 90 and 100 MPH clubhead speeds and determined the following…



vs. Prior Model (Diablo '09) vs. AVG Of All Drivers We've Tested During Past Two Years
Distance
8-9 Yards Longer Longer
Forgiveness On Miss-Hits
Similar Longer And Slightly More Accurate
Launch Angle
1-2 Degrees Lower Lower
Spin Rate
700-800 RPM's Lower Lower
Club Specs
.50" Longer Length Heavier Total Weight.
Slightly Closed Face Angle.


Diablo Edge Bottom Line:

We were really happy with the performance of the Diablo Edge. It posted some impressive distance gains over the prior year’s model. The thing that is really cool about this driver is that it is getting longer distance while keeping the length of the club at 45.5”. Most of the drivers hitting it farther are doing so at lengths that exceed 46”.


Gear Effect & Your DrivesBy Sean Smith, Uinta



This past summer we decided to embark on a very ambitious ball test: 63 different models at 5 different swing speeds with the driver, 6-iron, and pitching wedge. We also wanted a detailed short game analysis and even a durability test.

We hit well over 10,000 shots with the robot to amass this mountain of data. We were fortunate that it was a nice summer.

Our robot is very tired. In fact, he blew a spring!

The report that resulted from this test is so large that it is impossible to share the results in a meaningful, concise way. So right now we are busy writing a fitting application to help with that. We hope within the next few months we can produce a ball fitting application that is very similar to our driver fitting application that you can find here on our web site.

Because we wouldn't want you to have to wait that long to benefit from our test results, I decided to write a series of articles to provide you with information that I think you will find both interesting and helpful. Our focus this month: The Driver.

So what do you think would happen if you took a swing robot, loaded it with a driver, and then hit a dozen or so of nearly every golf ball on the market? Keep in mind, this robot swings the same way every time – same speed, same path, same attack angle, hitting the ball perfectly in the center of the clubface every time.

Do you think all of the balls would go about the same distance?

The easiest way to answer this question is to show you some of our test results. The charts that follow are the top 5 longest golf balls at each of the five swing speeds we tested at.

Because a few of you out there might also be concerned about accuracy, we also included how these long balls ranked in this category as well. The “Deviation” column represents each golf ball's average yards off of the original target line.

110 MPH Driver
The Top 5 distance balls at this speed were as follows (the data in ( ) indicates the rank vs. all 63 balls tested)

Ball Distance (yards) Deviation (yards)
Pinnacle Gold FX Long 312.93 (1) 5.67 (16)
Taylor Made TP Black 311.95 (2) 12.40 (62)
Callaway HX Pearl 308.58 (3) 12.36 (61)
Srixon Z-URC 307.57 (4) 5.27 (10)
Titleist Pro V1x 307.54 (5) 7.17 (33)

[Cornbread]

I would imagine he is getting the C3=TP from this thread on Golf WRX

Pardon my directness, but what Planet have you been on? Anyone who knows Golf Balls in general, or anyone who have researched balls, or read Golf Forums such as this one know that these are the same exact balls. I didn't refer nor utilize any outdated link. Even the USGA Approve Ball list tells us these are the same exact balls.

We also already know that Dick's no longer has these Balls on the on-line cataloge, I never stated that they did. in fact... I belive I mentioned Golf Galaxy, not Dick's anyway. For that matter, Dick's on-line cataloge, and even G.Galaxys no-long list 6 ot 8 top balls from around 2008 that can still be found in their stores. Especially G. Galaxy. Additionally, and FYI the Penta and todays Maxfli Balls come from the same exact assembly line in, in the same exact plant Tiawan. And you pay how much for the Pentas? $52.00 !!! If you spent half as much time researching Golf products and you do trying to argue with my posting you would know these things. Have a lovely weekend!

[mapa94]

I've been purchasing and playing Talormade TP Reds because they are $21 at my local Walmart. I understand that the reds are being phased out but almost all other "premium" balls are almost double this price. What an outstanding deal!

The reds are a bit longer off the tee than the Srixon Z-Stars I was playing and they seem to spin a touch less on greenside shots. I haven't noticed any increased dispersion but "Cornbreads" data only includes the TP Blacks (not the Reds or Pentas). Maybe he is just making an inference based on the Blacks performance.

At $21 per dozen, I will keep playing and purchasing TP Reds until the shelves are empty.

[max power]

Maybe he is just making an inference based on the Blacks performance.

Yeah, but maybe who cares what he says. I've actually played at least 20 rounds with the TP Black, and it outperforms any other ball I've used, at any price. I'll continue to play them and the Maxfli C3s as long as I can get my hands on them.

[Arsenal8807]

My lord $21?!?!!! I am paying 29 here in Tx!

[JML22]

they're 40 in canada

[Cornbread]

Actually you can get the C3's right now at Golf Galaxy and Dicks for $14 a dozen. Cheaper is you have some of the discount coupons.

bumping this up.

[Arsenal8807]

Can you get these at Edwin Watts or any place online?

[acegolfer]

I'm confused. I read several sources. Here's what I gathers. Can anyone confirm this?

Maxfli C3 gold is Taylormade TP red.
Maxfli C3 gold is not Taylormade TP LDP red.

[Cornbread]

Correct. The LDP simply has a differing dimple pattern than the TP's.

C3 Gold = TP Red
C3 Black = TP Black

[drglew]

Not that I can either vouch for nor discredit cornbread's dispersion testing info, I will say from personal experience with the older TP's (which apparently are the same as those maxfli's) vs the LDP versions of the TP's, I do think the LDP's have a more stable ball flight that seems less affected by wind -- i'd imagine that could explain in part those test results.

[Cornbread]

I will say from personal experience with the older TP's (which apparently are the same as those maxfli's) vs the LDP versions of the TP's, I do think the LDP's have a more stable ball flight that seems less affected by wind -- i'd imagine that could explain in part those test results.

You are on the correct logic path, however it not the wind effects as much as it it normal flight turbulence.

The TMade non-seamless design also affects the accuracy.

[JML22]

hmmm so TM LDPs arent good off the tee, compared to like a v1x or something?

[max power]

hmmm so TM LDPs arent good off the tee, compared to like a v1x or something?

Hogwash. As good or better. Moot point, as you can't find/get 'em much longer. I bought the rest of the Maxfli C3 Golds in Tucson earlier today.

[drglew]

hmmm so TM LDPs arent good off the tee, compared to like a v1x or something?

Maybe I wrote it backwards. The LDPs I think are great off the tee, ESP in terms of stable ball flight in the wind. The older TPs were affected more by wind.

In my experience, the TP LDPs are otherwise most comparable to the ProV1x, esp in terms of spin. So I guess if you don't like the V1x, you might not like the TPs either.

[jamo]

Can you get these at Edwin Watts or any place online?

I don't know, they aren't on Golf Galaxy's website. Or TGW or Golfsmith.