Taxing the Ryder Cup

[BruceMGF]

Might Tiger (and others) just stay home?

How British Law May Scare Off Woods From Ryder Cup

[BallStriker]

Unbelievable......how short sighted is this taxing policy???

[kafka01]

Now THAT is some creative taxation - these guys in UK really must be down to their last penny... Better join the european union quick so we can bail you out :)

American players have long been sensitive about not being paid at the Ryder Cup and two of Woods’ closest friends, Mark O’Meara and David Duval, have gone on record as saying so. Woods, himself, once famously remarked there were “a million reasons” why he would rather win a lucrative tournament than the Ryder Cup, and three years ago the rookie Hunter Mahan accused the organisers of treating the players like “slaves” and said it could lead to a boycott.

I wonder if any of the players in the old days complained about not getting "paid" playing in a nations event, where it should be an honor to play for your country, not a duty. What a digusting attitude!

[Shindig]

Only a matter of time before some folks start skipping the British Open because of this sort of nonsense. It'll start with the low-paying events, relegating them to be played only by folks based in the UK. Taxing people for coming to your country to work is one of the most insane policies I can imagine.

[Chilli Dipper]

Only a matter of time before some folks start skipping the British Open because of this sort of nonsense. It'll start with the low-paying events, relegating them to be played only by folks based in the UK. Taxing people for coming to your country to work is one of the most insane policies I can imagine.

Welcome to the New Europe, where hardcore deficit hawks run the show.

[senorchipotle]

how disgusting. this is precisely why irresponsible, ''progressive'' economic policy does nothing but stifle and ruin job growth and the economy. here in texas we don't have a state tax, and we've created more jobs in the past few years than all other states combined. if i were an athlete, i'd boycott her royal h-anus' kingdom on principle. prince fuddy duddy loves to tell us in the states how inhumane our policies are and rag on mcdonald's, meanwhile he benefits from an institution which still submits that a god put his family on earth to rule over their subjects. yeah, and we're a backwards country. what complete and utter shite.

[Chilli Dipper]

how disgusting. this is precisely why irresponsible, ''progressive'' economic policy does nothing but stifle and ruin job growth and the economy. here in texas we don't have a state tax, and we've created more jobs in the past few years than all other states combined. if i were an athlete, i'd boycott her royal h-anus' kingdom on principle. prince fuddy duddy loves to tell us in the states how inhumane our policies are and rag on mcdonald's, meanwhile he benefits from an institution which still submits that a god put his family on earth to rule over their subjects. yeah, and we're a backwards country. what complete and utter shite.

For what it's worth, the Conservatives are the ones in government right now in the UK, and the whole "tax everything you can find while cutting every possible corner in spending" is their plan to eliminate Britain's debt. Pretty much every country in Europe is scared out of their wits after the Greek crisis, and are all basically on the same page.

[senorchipotle]

For what it's worth, the Conservatives are the ones in government right now in the UK, and the whole "tax everything you can find while cutting every possible corner in spending" is their plan to eliminate Britain's debt. Pretty much every country in Europe is scared out of their wits after the Greek crisis, and are all basically on the same page.

european ''conservatives'' operate slightly to the left of the obama administration. besides, it's the liberals who've been mucking things up for the past 30 years.

[kafka01]

Welcome to the New Europe, where hardcore deficit hawks run the show.

Yeah, it seems like a really bad idea, not spending money you dont have and instead creating some revenue......

For what it's worth, the Conservatives are the ones in government right now in the UK, and the whole "tax everything you can find while cutting every possible corner in spending" is their plan to eliminate Britain's debt.

Isnt California taxing golf, because they dont have a nickle to their name anymore?

[Chilli Dipper]

Yeah, it seems like a really bad idea, not spending money you dont have and instead creating some revenue......

It's all about how it's done, and some of the methods come off as unscrupulous to this American observer. It's still more lucid than the American conservative approach to tackling deficits, which is to say they don't matter and then blame the Democrats.

[senorchipotle]

It's all about how it's done, and some of the methods come off as unscrupulous to this American observer. It's still more lucid than the American conservative approach to tackling deficits, which is to say they don't matter and then blame the Democrats.

are you serious? so, i reckon it's the conservatives who are introducing billion dollar bill after billion dollar bill? are you mental? the reps have been trying to cut spending. the dems have deluded themselves into thinking their own bastardized brand of keynesian economics is going to solve something. the criteria for that theory to work have not yet been satisfied, yet they're still expecting some great outcome. it's madness. and it looks like msnbc has fooled you into thinking likewise.

[Shanks A Million]

european ''conservatives'' operate slightly to the left of the obama administration. besides, it's the liberals who've been mucking things up for the past 30 years.

Don't know where you heard that, but it's not true. First of all, the U.K. conservative party is as conservative as the Republican party.

The reason most Americans don't get this is that they support national healthcare. But at the same time, it would be almost suicidal not to. National healthcare is like medicare or social security, conservatives oppose the style of program, but would be decimated if they chose to try and end them.

are you serious? so, i reckon it's the conservatives who are introducing billion dollar bill after billion dollar bill? are you mental? the reps have been trying to cut spending. the dems have deluded themselves into thinking their own bastardized brand of keynesian economics is going to solve something. the criteria for that theory to work have not yet been satisfied, yet they're still expecting some great outcome. it's madness. and it looks like msnbc has fooled you into thinking likewise.

I also don't know where you got that info. When Jimmy Carter came into office in 77, the deficit was 35.8% of GDP. When he left, it was 32.5%. Reagan came in and by the time the next Democrat, Clinton, took office, it was 66.1%. When Bush came into office, it was 56.4%. When Obama came into office, it was at 83.4%. So, the facts show that Democrats reduced deficit spending, while Republicans raised it.

Lets toss in some more facts. From 1978 to 2005, Republican presidents increased spending 12.1%. Democrats increased spending 9.9%. The debt increased 4.2% under Democrats, but 36.4% under Republicans. The GDP went up 10.7% under Republicans, but 12.6% under Democrats. The reason for all of this lies in realty vs. rhetoric. Republicans talk and talk about lower taxes and spending, but what they actually do is cut the marginal tax rate, and cut spending on programs for the poor. But the largest chunk of the U.S. economy is, by a long shot, Military spending. Republicans raise spending on the Military, and raise taxes on the middle class. Ronald Reagan cut the marginal tax rate from 70% to 28%, but the tax rate on the lowest bracket went up from 12% to 15%. Talk about rhetoric, and belief all day, but I only deal in plain and simple facts. And another simple fact, both Bush and Obama passed bailouts.

[senorchipotle]

shanks... having live in europe, i'm quite familiar with their politics. i don't know where you got that graph, but it is flawed. barack obama had the most liberal voting record in the senate for the time that he was there. and sarah palin is quite a bit more conservative than john mccain. i'm also curious to see where jacques chirac and nicolas sarkozy are plotted.

as far as the deficit goes, one must take into account the policies enacted by the prior administration. and yes, rep's have spent more on defense, but reagan had the cold war and bush had iraq and afghanistan, which were and are very expensive. but the fact remains, job creation and economic stability happen when businesses have more liquidity. spending on the poorest of society only creates dependents, not producers. producers are what makes the world go round, by giving people jobs, lending/investment opportunities, and tax dollars.

[Leftygolfer]

The problem with socialism is you always run out of someone else's money.

Who controls the money in the US? It is congress and the dems were in control of that when bush passed the bail outs. He had no choice. Nancy P and her associates would never actually do something that worked (called tax cuts, they do stimulate the economy, look at history).

Nobama is a joke. He gloats about the unemployement dropping to 9.5% not because of job creation, but b/c people are so fed up they quit looking for work they don't file unemployment anymore. What a smuck. We aren't recovering, we are getting ready for our second serving of recession when the tax cuts on people who create JOBS (AKA rich people (me personally i've never worked for a poor person)).

American companies are sitting on around 1.5 trillon dollars in capital. They aren't investing it b/c there is so much uncertainty. Is cap and tax going to pass? How much is health care going to really cost employers? How is America going to get out of this debt that we are creating? The red tape is getting more and more and making people who have and can create jobs not do so.

America was built on the private sector. Countries that are not have twice the unemployement.

and 50%, that is F&&king; unreal.

[Chilli Dipper]

I just find it funny that I'm someone with a generally center-left point of view politically who looks back at Ross Perot's 1992 presidential platform and thinks that most of the ideas he campaigned for make sense, when a significant number of people who actually did vote for Perot then will now brand anyone a relentless communist for supporting those same ideas less than two decades after the fact.

[iacas]

This thread looks like it's headed for the Grill Room quickly. Politics don't belong in Tour Talk.

[misty_mountainhop]

how disgusting. this is precisely why irresponsible, ''progressive'' economic policy does nothing but stifle and ruin job growth and the economy. here in texas we don't have a state tax, and we've created more jobs in the past few years than all other states combined. if i were an athlete, i'd boycott her royal h-anus' kingdom on principle. prince fuddy duddy loves to tell us in the states how inhumane our policies are and rag on mcdonald's, meanwhile he benefits from an institution which still submits that a god put his family on earth to rule over their subjects. yeah, and we're a backwards country. what complete and utter shite.

As a stereotypical Liverpudlian might say...."Calm down, calm down" (to be said in a Scouse accent).

Nice and balanced comment on UK tax laws I see. As the US only implements sensible legislation. Obviously. Doesn't seem to make a great deal of sense given the implications I have to admit and it does throw up some potentially dim scenarios. HMRC can be very thick sometimes. That said, are sportspeople taxed on endorsement income? At all?

[ghalfaire]

I'll steer clear of the Politics on this one. But a tax on "direct earning in country" sounds legitimate if it is reasonable. But taxing the Ryder Cup players based on "indirect earning" such that in order to represent your country you have to pay, is really short sighted and stupid. I would be the having the Ryder Cup venue in country is worth a lot of revenue to UK if Tiger and Phil come and if they don't not so much.