mp 63 or 68

[motteler621]

  Clambake said:

Originally Posted by Clambake

This makes no sense whatsoever.     You've made 2 posts so far in the forum and both were of no use whatsoever....why bother?

your right, it doesnt make any sense. Pro's swing some shots under 75 mph so does that make the iron not usable in that situation.

I hit the 63's the other day at a demo day and I didnt notice any extra forgiveness over their blade line. It looks exactly like a blade from the top too, if I had to choose I would get the 68's over the 63's because you wont notice a difference I dont think, so might as well go for the real deal

[Clambake]

  motteler621 said:

Originally Posted by motteler621

your right, it doesnt make any sense. Pro's swing some shots under 75 mph so does that make the iron not usable in that situation.

Even when they hit it full, 150 is a reasonable distance and in no way reflects whether one is fast enough for MPs.    For example, here are the distances Nicklaus hit (from "Golf My Way"):

• Driver: 250 yards and up
• 3-wood: 235 yards and up
• 1-iron: 215-235 yards
• 2-iron: 205-220 yards
• 3-iron: 195-210 yards
• 4-iron:185-200 yards
• 5-iron: 170-185 yards
• 6- iron: 155-170 yards
• 7-iron: 140-155 yards
• 8-iron:130-145 yards
• 9-iron:105-135 yards
• Pitching wedge: 80-130 yards
• Sand wedge: Up to 100 yards

Jack didn't hit his 6 iron much more than 150, and I suspect no one would ridicule him over his low swing speed an inability to hit blades.

[motteler621]

  Clambake said:

Originally Posted by Clambake

Even when they hit it full, 150 is a reasonable distance and in no way reflects whether one is fast enough for MPs.    For example, here are the distances Nicklaus hit (from "Golf My Way"):

Driver: 250 yards and up

3-wood: 235 yards and up

1-iron: 215-235 yards

2-iron: 205-220 yards

3-iron: 195-210 yards

4-iron:185-200 yards

5-iron: 170-185 yards

6- iron: 155-170 yards

7-iron: 140-155 yards

8-iron:130-145 yards

9-iron:105-135 yards

Pitching wedge: 80-130 yards

Sand wedge: Up to 100 yards

Jack didn't hit his 6 iron much more than 150, and I suspect no one would ridicule him over his low swing speed an inability to hit blades.

yea this is interesting. I was watching tiger woods do a golf seminar thing and he talked about his distance that he hits his 7 iron normally and it was like 150. I was surprised but he was dead serious. Alot of times during tournaments they show them using 7 irons from 175 yards so I dont know, must be wind etc playing a part

[WUTiger]

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  SIDESHOW said:

just to give some background, i am currently playing PING g10 irons. i hit in the high 80s and lowish 90s. i feel that i could be playing better if i could work with my shot. ...

I tried the G10s a couple years back, and found they popped the ball up too high for me, especially in the short irons. With the stock G10 metal shafts, it's difficult to keep the ball low when you want to. That would limit somewhat working the ball height. If you understand how a golf swing works, you should be able to hit a basic fade or draw with almost any iron set (I'm channeling my golf pro on this one, but I agree with him here).

As for the Mizuno clubs, you say you hit the 6-iron 150 yds. The MP68 and MP63 normally come with heavy DG R300 and S300 shafts, or PX 5.5 (better for hitters than swingers). To get better clubhead speed and distance, you might consider a lighter shaft such as the Dynamic Golf SL or TT GS95, or the Nippon NS Pro. The Mizuno shaft optimizer might help you on this.

[motteler621]

actually i found the video. He says he hits his 8 iron about 158,

[Tgilmour25]

First off. The G10's are cheater clubs.... I have the MP 68's and love them. I have owned them for about a year and they MAKE you become a better ball striker, cause if you dont hit the ball right then its not gonna go anywhere. I hit the 63's although they were nice, I liked the feel of the 68's especially when you hit em pure.. I found that they fit my game very good, I had the cobra ssi's and when I would miss hit it, the ball would keep going and going. If I miss hit the 68's (8 iron) , its only gonna go about 50 yds or so, at least then I have a chance for recovery 50yds in the the fairway rather then 150yds in the rough.....

[motteler621]

  Tgilmour25 said:

Originally Posted by Tgilmour25

. If I miss hit the 68's (8 iron) , its only gonna go about 50 yds or so, at least then I have a chance for recovery 50yds in the the fairway rather then 150yds in the rough.....

geez, what kind of mishits do you have? hosel shots? I can hit my mp-32's on the toe and it still gets out there. Fat shots are the only ones that will be drastically short for me.

[B of H]

jack's 6 iron was a modern 7 and he was using a ball that went shorter.

Tiger's comfortable carry might be 158 with his 8-iron but that isn't a 'full swing' as most amateurs understand it (more of a controlled iron swing like 70-75% power) and tiger is using weak lofted blades with a ball that spins more than anything you can buy off the shelves.  I'd guess his 8-iron is closer to a modern GI 9-iron, like 41 or even 42 degrees loft.  If a good player really needs to stop an iron shot quickly he'll put more into it perhaps and if he's pumped up in competition he'll know it and club accordingly.  Just because you see pro's hitting 8-irons from 180 yards on TV doesn't mean that it is their stock distance for the club.  a 158 yard 9 iron is pretty stock for tiger...think of it that way.

if someone only hits an 8 iron 140 yards then most likely they aren't getting all that much spin and height on the shot so using blades might put them at a disadvantage due to the higher center or gravity where as a player who hits the same iron 160 is going to get more height or/and spin so the blades might help him control the trajectory more etc...  So in this case the player who hits the 8 140 even if he strikes it dead pure every time is losing the ability to flight the ball on a trajectory that including spin allows him to attack tight pins/carry bunkers etc...

i've played blades or minimal cavity back blade like irons all my life and I don't ever really think they are that much more 'forgiving' as I tend to miss the ball high in the face occasionally instead of heel/toe.  on a shot like that a blade is actually more forgiving in my experience as the top edge of the sweetspot is higher in the face.  When I hit GI irons I have to be real careful about how steep I get on the ball because the top half of the club is a little more dead actually.  that being said a heel miss for me on blades only loses a few yards more than players type cavity back and 10 yards perhaps compared to a ping type GI iron.  just my .02

[anotherday]

  Clambake said:

Originally Posted by Clambake

Even when they hit it full, 150 is a reasonable distance and in no way reflects whether one is fast enough for MPs.    For example, here are the distances Nicklaus hit (from "Golf My Way"):

Driver: 250 yards and up

3-wood: 235 yards and up

1-iron: 215-235 yards

2-iron: 205-220 yards

3-iron: 195-210 yards

4-iron:185-200 yards

5-iron: 170-185 yards

6- iron: 155-170 yards

7-iron: 140-155 yards

8-iron:130-145 yards

9-iron:105-135 yards

Pitching wedge: 80-130 yards

Sand wedge: Up to 100 yards

Jack didn't hit his 6 iron much more than 150, and I suspect no one would ridicule him over his low swing speed an inability to hit blades.

You forget that these distances were long in those days and the golf course distances were shorter... So yeah, he hits it shorter than some amateurs these days.. but try hitting his distances with the clubs he used. Ouch!

[Tgilmour25]

  motteler621 said:

Originally Posted by motteler621

geez, what kind of mishits do you have? hosel shots? I can hit my mp-32's on the toe and it still gets out there. Fat shots are the only ones that will be drastically short for me.

It was an example.. It has happened before where I come inside and hit it off the toe... Not saying it happens all the time... I am a pretty good ball striker, but it happens to me sometimes, I tend to think I have to crush the shit outta the ball and I miss hit it.. Guess thats why I am a 6 hdcp still and not a 3

[Rip24]

Glad to see I could spark a flurry of activity on this stagnant tread....

Blades have thinner soles and higher centers of gravity and are needed to be swung faster to get the ball launched high enough and with enough spin to get optimal performace...everyone knows this.

Also your logic about using Nickalaus as an example is deeply flawed.   First of all to insinuate that Jack had a low swing speed in absolutly ridiculous...Jack ripped the ball...absolutly killed it.   Second of all his equipment was much much different.  His six iron was much more lofted than a modern club and he was using wound balls that were designed to spin.

To further my point.  In a youtube video Tiger can be see talking at a seminar about how years later he pulled out his old Mizuno MP-14 1-iron that he used to use as an amateur.  He said it looked like a knife...and he threw down a few balls to hit and couldnt get the ball in the air.  So he went and dug out some old would balls he used back then and was then able to hit it up like he used to.

The MP-68 is sweet but you need game to get everything out of it.  If you only hit your 6 iron 150 and want to use blades by all means, knock yourself out.  Just dont be surprised when it only goes 140....or less

[motteler621]

  Rip24 said:

Originally Posted by Rip24

Glad to see I could spark a flurry of activity on this stagnant tread....

Blades have thinner soles and higher centers of gravity and are needed to be swung faster to get the ball launched high enough and with enough spin to get optimal performace...everyone knows this.

Also your logic about using Nickalaus as an example is deeply flawed.   First of all to insinuate that Jack had a low swing speed in absolutly ridiculous...Jack ripped the ball...absolutly killed it.   Second of all his equipment was much much different.  His six iron was much more lofted than a modern club and he was using wound balls that were designed to spin.

To further my point.  In a youtube video Tiger can be see talking at a seminar about how years later he pulled out his old Mizuno MP-14 1-iron that he used to use as an amateur.  He said it looked like a knife...and he threw down a few balls to hit and couldnt get the ball in the air.  So he went and dug out some old would balls he used back then and was then able to hit it up like he used to.

The MP-68 is sweet but you need game to get everything out of it.  If you only hit your 6 iron 150 and want to use blades by all means, knock yourself out.  Just dont be surprised when it only goes 140....or less

id like to see that youtube video. Tiger's blades that he has played over the years dont offer more forgiveness than mizuno mp-14's.

*also you are talking about a 1 iron!!!! Only thing you can take from him saying it (it he did) is that its easier to hit a 1 iron with the old wound balls. Tiger still plays blades