ball hits bag

[supoffset]

OK so I'm in a "team" league match and our opponent ball hits his partners bag beside the green. the ruling would be?

thanks

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by supoffset

OK so I'm in a "team" league match and our opponent ball hits his partners bag beside the green. the ruling would be?

thanks

One stroke penalty and play the ball as it lies. Rule 19-2

[sacm3bill]

While Rick's answer is indeed the letter of the law, the ruling might actually depend on your league's local rules. In my league at work for example, 2 players from one team play 2 players from another team, but the other person from your team with whom you are playing in the group is not your official Partner.  Therefore, issues such as your ball accidentally hitting your teammate's clubs or bag have no penalty consequences.  It is considered a "rub of the green".

Your league should have a chairman or rules person - you should check with them to be sure of the proper handling of this case.

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by sacm3bill

While Rick's answer is indeed the letter of the law, the ruling might actually depend on your league's local rules. In my league at work for example, 2 players from one team play 2 players from another team, but the other person from your team with whom you are playing in the group is not your official Partner.  Therefore, issues such as your ball accidentally hitting your teammate's clubs or bag have no penalty consequences.  It is considered a "rub of the green".

Your league should have a chairman or rules person - you should check with them to be sure of the proper handling of this case.

If they are playing as a team against the other 2 players, then they are by the rules "partners", and the partner's equipment is treated the same as the player's equipment under the rules.  If they are just 2 players from each "team" (such as in a high school or college meet) playing as fellow competitors in stroke play, then they are outside agencies in relationship to each other.

It has nothing to do with local rules.  A local rule which suspended a rule of golf, or the penalty for breaching a rule, would not be allowed.  I understand that some leagues play free and loose with the rules, but such actions should not be used to answer questions about the rules.

I guess what needs to be known here is whether the original post was using the term "partner" in its correct context as defined in the Rules of Golf.  The term "partner" is too often used loosely in talking about a fellow competitor who is in reality just a playing companion, not a partner.  Partners are most often 2 players who are playing together in a fourball or foursomes format against 2 other players, who are their "opponents".  It is difficult to discuss the rules when improper terminology is used to pose the question.

Partner

A "partner" is a player associated with another player on the same side.

[sacm3bill]

Originally Posted by Fourputt

If they are playing as a team against the other 2 players, then they are by the rules "partners", and the partner's equipment is treated the same as the player's equipment under the rules.  If they are just 2 players from each "team" (such as in a high school or college meet) playing as fellow competitors in stroke play, then they are outside agencies in relationship to each other.

Yes, and in the case of my work league for example, the latter is the case. It may be the case for the OP's league as well, which is why I recommended he talk to his league officials.

Originally Posted by Fourputt

It has nothing to do with local rules...  I understand that some leagues play free and loose with the rules, but such actions should not be used to answer questions about the rules.

I agree, it's not a local rule and I shouldn't have used that terminology - the reason I did is I had referred to my league's rules document and it erroneously used the term. But as far as answering questions about rules, in the context of the OP's question I still stand by my statement: In their particular scenario, they need to find out whether the league considers the other player a "partner" or a "teammate", since the correct application of the rules depends on that.

[Fourputt]

Since the OP used the terms "partner" and "opponent", I made the assumption that he was using them in their correct context.  That may have been an invalid assumption.  We shall have to wait until he drops back by to know for sure.  At least we have pretty much covered all of the bases now.