Why was AK DQ'd at the Canadian Open?

[c. lassiter]

Saw that he shot 81 in round 2 and was DQ'd - but I can't find anything about it anywhere online.

[bkoguy07]

It was the first google result...

Anthony Kim was disqualified following his second round of the RBC Canadian Open.

AK chased his opening 69 with an 11-over-par 39-42=81 today and would have missed the cut by a mile anyway. The timing of the DQ suggests that he signed an incorrect scorecard, but we will confirm and update later. Meanwhile, he swallowed seven bogeys, one double and one triple in his second round. It's a disappointing follow-up to his share of fifth place at the British Open.

[mirv]

yeah, it was an incorrect scorecard.

"Just when it seemed like 2011 was beginning to get on track for Anthony Kim after a top-10 finish at the Open Championship, the American made a stop at the Dairy Queen following the second round of the RBC Canadian Open. Kim was disqualified following his second round at Shaughnessy CC outside of Vancouver due to signing an incorrect scorecard. He wasn’t playing the weekend anyhow, though. After an opening 69, Kim shot 81 on Friday en route to a missed cut. The round included a triple bogey, a double bogey and seven bogeys."

[Dr. Strangeclub]

Why in the world does professional golf persist with scorecard signing nonsense?  For an amateur tournament, sure, but professional golf has walking scorers, constant updates after every hole and spectators watching every move.  Volunteers carrying signs.  Totally unnecessary.  "The Chicago Bears have lost the Superbowl to the New York Jets after signing an incorrect scoreboard."  Get rid of it, please.

[beisenhauer]

Because unlike other sports, the golfer bears final responsibility for his/her own conduct and score. I don't see any reason why professionals should be held to a lower standard than the rest of us in that regard.

[Paradox]

Originally Posted by beisenhauer

Because unlike other sports, the golfer bears final responsibility for his/her own conduct and score. I don't see any reason why professionals should be held to a lower standard than the rest of us in that regard.

It really is a relic from the past, though.  There are official scorers at every PGA tour event and they already know your correct score.  I don't have a problem with the way score is kept, but the penalty for it is just silly.  Fix the score and let that be the end of it.  DQ'ing someone when you already have the correct information available is just far too severe.

[senorchipotle]

scorecard signing penalties are nonsense.

[imtomtomim]

Originally Posted by senorchipotle

scorecard signing penalties are nonsense.

I'd have to agree.  Take tennis for example, high school matches don't all have line judges, but they do on tv.  Players are expected to call if the shot made it in or not.  Officials exist at higher levels to make sure it was paid attention to.  Definitely archaic for the professional who is tracked by tv and several officials.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Paradox

It really is a relic from the past, though.  There are official scorers at every PGA tour event and they already know your correct score.  I don't have a problem with the way score is kept, but the penalty for it is just silly.  Fix the score and let that be the end of it.  DQ'ing someone when you already have the correct information available is just far too severe.

If that were the case, John Daly would have had an 18 recently and Kevin Na, on his way to 16, would have gotten who knows what score.

The golfer is ultimately responsible for his score. Period.

All "eliminating signing the scorecard" would do is shift the responsibility to some volunteer or something. Who would want that? The pro would still likely have to "okay" it at the end of the round... so what have you saved exactly? They tap a button to sign instead of actually signing something?

Besides that, I kinda like it. Why eliminate the "quaint" things from the game? Baseball still requires the managers to give the umps the lineup sheet printed out before the games. They don't text them to the umps or something.

[Paradox]

Originally Posted by iacas

If that were the case, John Daly would have had an 18 recently and Kevin Na, on his way to 16, would have gotten who knows what score.

The golfer is ultimately responsible for his score. Period.

All "eliminating signing the scorecard" would do is shift the responsibility to some volunteer or something. Who would want that? The pro would still likely have to "okay" it at the end of the round... so what have you saved exactly? They tap a button to sign instead of actually signing something?

Besides that, I kinda like it. Why eliminate the "quaint" things from the game? Baseball still requires the managers to give the umps the lineup sheet printed out before the games. They don't text them to the umps or something.

No, because their official score was still kept and known.  All the scoring officials had to do was correct the cards and that be the end of it...not DQ someone because they may have forgotten a stroke here or thought they hit one more there.  Just fix the freakin scorecard...The rule is based on a time when there was no electronic scoring and officials keeping track of everyone and it was on the players to absolutely keep a correct score.

In baseball, lineups are given to the ump because the ump is in control of keeping track of substitutions made and whether they are legal or not.  Why can't a scorekeeper be in charge of making sure the hole scores are right?

[Grndslmhttr3]

I personally don't understand what's so difficult about being able to know what you shot on a hole and correctly write it down on your scorecard.

[makaveli]

IMHO another question would be why some professionals are that dumb to sign wrong scores... It's not that hard to write 18 correct numbers and sign it...

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangeclub

Why in the world does professional golf persist with scorecard signing nonsense?  For an amateur tournament, sure, but professional golf has walking scorers, constant updates after every hole and spectators watching every move.  Volunteers carrying signs.  Totally unnecessary.  "The Chicago Bears have lost the Superbowl to the New York Jets after signing an incorrect scoreboard."  Get rid of it, please.

[MiniBlueDragon]

The fact that emphasis is put on the score being submitted correctly by threat of disqualification serves to prevent "mistakes" where a player could win by accidentally marking a lower score than they actually made and means someone is always accountable for submitting a correct score.

Out of everyone who could be accountable for making sure a player's score is correct when submitted I think the player is the better option. What's worse, playing a fantastic round and being DQ'd because you wrote down the wrong score or playing a fantastic round and being DQ'd because someone else did?

[shades9323]

Perhaps it is because they don't write down their own scores and assume that their playing partner wrote it down correctly. Then again it is their own fault if they don't check the card for accuracy.  AK probably didn't care to check since he wasn't makin the cut anyway.

Originally Posted by makaveli

IMHO another question would be why some professionals are that dumb to sign wrong scores... It's not that hard to write 18 correct numbers and sign it...

[makaveli]

You prob right, but not caring about the score is a pretty unprofessional behaviour if you ask me...

Anyway, I thinking that taking away the scores just because somebody is not able to check the numbers I don't think would be a smart move...

Originally Posted by shades9323

Perhaps it is because they don't write down their own scores and assume that their playing partner wrote it down correctly. Then again it is their own fault if they don't check the card for accuracy.  AK probably didn't care to check since he wasn't makin the cut anyway.

[bigoak]

You really have to keep track of your playing partner's score and your own score.  The player signs the attest and the other player signs as scorer.  The DK is for attesting to an error in scoring.  The error might have been by the playing partner but if the player attests to the error then the player has made the error and is DQ'd.  The test is not just keeping track of your score but your skill at proof reading someone else's scoring.  You should be able to keep your own score.  now if there is an error, the player has made in error instead of catching someone else's error.  I don't understand what happens if the official scorer walking with the group eerrors and  reports the wrong score.  now may the player be DQ'd?

[Dr. Strangeclub]

Originally Posted by bigoak

You really have to keep track of your playing partner's score and your own score.  The player signs the attest and the other player signs as scorer.  The DK is for attesting to an error in scoring.  The error might have been by the playing partner but if the player attests to the error then the player has made the error and is DQ'd.  The test is not just keeping track of your score but your skill at proof reading someone else's scoring.  You should be able to keep your own score.  now if there is an error, the player has made in error instead of catching someone else's error.  I don't understand what happens if the official scorer walking with the group eerrors and  reports the wrong score.  now may the player be DQ'd?

If there is something during the stroke that changes the "obvious" score, it is the player's responsibility to inform his scorer AND the walking scorer must be made aware of it as well.  That is the player's responsibility, so the idea that the final score somehow takes away the honor of the game is a red herring.  The player has the responsibility to draw attention to a shot that the walking scorer might have missed.  If the walking scorer gets the score wrong, he must correct it at the earliest possible moment, so that when the announcers start reading you the scoreboard on TV (I HATE that!) they actually have the correct score.  If there is any doubt what a player scored, you ask the caddy or the player before entering the info (preferably the caddy who almost always knows).  Get it wrong because you, the walking scorer,  blew it and they'll send out a new walking scorer to replace you if you do it again.  I've been a walking scorer.  They don't like mistakes at scoring central and you better have your players' scores (and their GIRs and putts and fairways and bunker shots) in the computer within seconds after the final putt drops for your group on a hole.  Too slow and out comes a replacement.  Being a walking scorer is intense but fun!