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How much can this cause inconsistency? I'm using a reg flex driver but I have a 105-110 swing speed with it. Its the only club i've never ever ever been able to hit well consistently. Sometimes I get it goin for a round but it quickly fades. My misses are on both sides of the course which make things very hard,  could the wrong flex be a cause of this?

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I think you are on the right track here. It would cause a lot of inconsistency, IMO. You should definately step up to a stiff, perhaps an x-stiff shaft if you swing 110 the majority of the time. You will have to go test some shafts to find the right one.

Originally Posted by jshots

How much can this cause inconsistency? I'm using a reg flex driver but I have a 105-110 swing speed with it. Its the only club i've never ever ever been able to hit well consistently. Sometimes I get it goin for a round but it quickly fades. My misses are on both sides of the course which make things very hard,  could the wrong flex be a cause of this?




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You need a stiff shaft driver at the very least. Best bet would be to get fitted on launch monitor If no one with launch monitor in your area, then hit a bunch of different drivers and pick the shaft that is best for you.

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My swing speed is 103 -105 consistent.   I used a regular shaft for a couple of years and had the same issue as you.  If it was on... I was good to go, but I did not have a "miss."  It might slice, hook, draw or fade.  i had no idea what to expect.  Not the best scenario for golf.

I switched over to a new driver with a stiff shaft and while it is not on all the time.  I at least have a miss.  If it is not going to be a great shot in the fairway, I am quite sure it is going to be a baby fade.  Again it is new and the honeymoon has not worn off but so far the shaft change did the trick.

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That swing speed warrants a stiff flex.  There are so many various options within the stiffness profile -- kick point, weight, torque, length, etc. Do your research and find your local PGA pro or golf shop whom can analyze your swing, tempo and suggest a stiff shaft with the proper specifications.

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Sadly i'm in college and can't afford anything new. I may just have to quit hitting it off of the tee until I can.

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Originally Posted by jshots

Sadly i'm in college and can't afford anything new. I may just have to quit hitting it off of the tee until I can.



If you like the feel of the driver head itself, maybe a replacement shaft is what you need. Heckuva alot cheaper than a new driver.

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Originally Posted by jshots

Sadly i'm in college and can't afford anything new. I may just have to quit hitting it off of the tee until I can.


You don't have to buy a new driver.  Like others have said just get a new shaft.  Now some of the best shafts might cost 150-200 but you could pick up a shaft that is more in tune with your swing speed for around 100 bucks.  Its well worth the investment.  Don't waste money on a new driver.  The shaft is honestly the most important part of a driver.


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Depending on what your current ball flight is and what you are seeking, I'd check out either the Pro Launch Blue (high flight) or Pro Launch Red (low flight).  RockBottomGolf has both of them available in a stiff flex for $19.99... you should be able to find somebody to install that with a new grip for about $20 or so.  If you do a search on the forum, you'll find plenty of positive reviews/posts on the Pro Launch shafts.  You should be all good to go for right about $50... sounds like that is something you should be able to squeeze into the budget.

The only downside to this is that they only have regular and stiff so if you find you need an X-stiff then you are out of luck there.

Another shaft that I've heard good things about are the Excalibur shafts from AXE... you can find them on the GolfWorks website and they are priced well at $50 each... I can't quite remember which shaft has what characteristics but all the info you need should be there.

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Having seen your swing on the instruction forum, I think a heavier-weight stiff or x-stiff shaft will get you where you want to be.  My swing speed is between 108-112 with the driver, and I found that the x-stiff gave me the spin and dispersion I was looking for without any sacrifice of distance.  Golf becomes much easier playing from the fairway.

What head are you currently hitting?

I know the ropes of being a college student and yet wanting new gear.  Truth is, yesterdays hot driver is todays great deal.  Rather than reshafting yours, you could also pick up a solid used driver with the shaft and loft you need on the cheap.  Example of a cheap bomber (don't know what loft you are after):
http://cgi.ebay.com/TITLEIST-983K-8-5-DRIVER-FUJIKURA-SPEEDER-X-STIFF-/360383164049?pt=Golf_Clubs&hash;=item53e882ae91

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The head is a 9* Ping G5 that I've been using since like 07 I think. I am thinking I may go take the trip to the closest place where I can try out different shafts on a launch monitor. Really i'm looking for the cheapest option. Putting on a grip is a piece of cake and my dad used to be an ex pro and can help me replace the shaft. I hit a stiff shaft yesterday and the results were much better than the one I have but would like to try others.

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The "right" shaft for you is the one you hit long and strait screw a chart or what anyone tells you. If you hit this good its the right shaft for you.

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Well I did finally get a stiffer shaft. I had mentioned to my Grandpa that I needed a stiffer shaft in my driver. He went out and ordered me a brand new Master Grip driver

It was a nice gesture even if its not probably the greatest club. He was amazed at how cheap their stuff is and doesn't think that you get what you pay for applies here. Anyways after using it for a few rounds I have been absolutely hammering my drives and they are straight! I just hope the club lasts. Let me tell you how awesome this club is. It has adjustable weights in the head, but those weights are permanent! hahahaha.

Whatever kind of club it is, its nice to finally be able to trust my drives will be in play...  I'm really amazed at the difference a stiff shaft made.

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Originally Posted by jshots

Well I did finally get a stiffer shaft....  I'm really amazed at the difference a stiff shaft made.


Thats what she said...

immature moment sorry

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I played Master Grip woods for most of High School(on the golf team). Nothing wrong with them if they work for you. My wife is now using those master grip woods.

Originally Posted by jshots

Well I did finally get a stiffer shaft. I had mentioned to my Grandpa that I needed a stiffer shaft in my driver. He went out and ordered me a brand new Master Grip driver

It was a nice gesture even if its not probably the greatest club. He was amazed at how cheap their stuff is and doesn't think that you get what you pay for applies here. Anyways after using it for a few rounds I have been absolutely hammering my drives and they are straight! I just hope the club lasts. Let me tell you how awesome this club is. It has adjustable weights in the head, but those weights are permanent! hahahaha.

Whatever kind of club it is, its nice to finally be able to trust my drives will be in play...  I'm really amazed at the difference a stiff shaft made.




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On the flip side, I'm intentionally trying to slow my swing down to control my driver ... can someone tell me what is the danger of having too stiff a shaft for your swing speed ?   Thx

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Originally Posted by inthehole

On the flip side, I'm intentionally trying to slow my swing down to control my driver ... can someone tell me what is the danger of having too stiff a shaft for your swing speed ?   Thx


I would imagine you might just lose a little distance as I thought flex in the club helped to add a little bit of distance... so less flex = maybe a bit less distance. If its too soft though it's much harder to get good timing.... I think

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