Purchased a fake putter!

[N255]

I recently bought a scotty cameron of Customizegolf.com as I thought it was an American website,turns out when i tracked my order it came from China,I havn't recieved the club yet but I know it's a fake!

Any thing I can do in terms of a refund or will I just have to learn my lesson lol???

[Shorty]

  N255 said:

Originally Posted by N255

I recently bought a scotty cameron of Customizegolf.com as I thought it was an American website,turns out when i tracked my order it came from China,I havn't recieved the club yet but I know it's a fake!

You mean the price didn't make you wonder?

Or the look of the website?

Or the fact that it has EMS post?

Or the "Live Help" button with the pretty girl?

Or the row of impressive "security" features down the bottom?

There is not a SINGLE PALCE ON THE PLANET where current model clubs are sold new at less than wholesale prices.

Still, you will probably get yopur money back if you contact your credit card company (or whatever payment system you used).

[NuclearMike]

As long as you didn't use a debit card you'll probably be OK.

[te3point5]

email and ask if you can return/cancel your order. If all sales are final, go through your credit card company.

In looking at the site, I don't understand how you could think it's legit, especially with the prices.

[newtogolf]

+1 the prices are way too low plus there's no physical street address to be found on the site yet they show a picture of a showroom.

  te3point5 said:

Originally Posted by te3point5

email and ask if you can return/cancel your order. If all sales are final, go through your credit card company.

In looking at the site, I don't understand how you could think it's legit, especially with the prices.

[Topper]

To be honest, I don't think the website is all that easily distinguished from other known reputable websites.  I don't know the wholesale value of Scotty Cameron putters, but it seems all of us have to default to the old adage that "if it's too good to be true it probably is."  Scotty Cameron putters that retail for less than a gazillion (I made that up ) dollars are probably too good to be true.

[glock35ipsc]

Took about a second to know that site was a scam.  The format is practically identical to all the other well known scam sites that are posted about regularly here on this forum and others.  And in about a minute of due diligence, I found the web site was registered to:

Registrant:
Anssure Yee
mobius times bulding 32-1
chongqing, CQ 400060
China

+86.13896015776

Anymore, unless it's a place I buy from regularly, I never place an order until I research the site a little.  First place I go to is godaddy.com and do a domain search with whois and see where the site originates.

Edit:  The highest priced "Cameron" putter they have is $149.99..........

Call the bank your card is issued through.  Even if it is a debit card, if it's a Visa or MasterCard it still has the same zero liability fraud protections as a credit card.

[Topper]

  glock35ipsc said:

Originally Posted by glock35ipsc

Anymore, unless it's a place I buy from regularly, I never place an order until I research the site a little.  First place I go to is godaddy.com and do a domain search with whois and see where the site originates.

That's good advice!

[18thbunker]

Scotty Cameron putters ---- price is pretty much set. Hardly see sale or special on this brand. If some internet seller advertises this item for some big savings ------ tipoff that you will be putting soon with a fake putter. Same applies to other big name brands in golf ----- Mizuno, Titleis ---- etc.

[MiniBlueDragon]

If you paid peanuts for it and it arrives and you can putt well with it, does it matter if it's fake?

If I could one-putt every green with a £1 putter I would!

Performance > Brand

[glock35ipsc]

  MiniBlueDragon said:

Originally Posted by MiniBlueDragon

If I could one-putt every green with a £1 putter I would!

Performance > Brand

I wholeheartedly agree with the above (see my club list).  But.....

One thing is being in possession of a counterfeit product.  If he was at some point to resell a known counterfeit product... not good for him.  That, and I morally object to spending money on something known to be fake yet advertised as the real deal.  Well, except for boobs, as long as I get to motorboat them.

[MiniBlueDragon]

  glock35ipsc said:

Originally Posted by glock35ipsc

I wholeheartedly agree with the above (see my club list).  But.....

One thing is being in possession of a counterfeit product.  If he was at some point to resell a known counterfeit product... not good for him.  That, and I morally object to spending money on something known to be fake yet advertised as the real deal.  Well, except for boobs, as long as I get to motorboat them.

I guess for me it entirely depends on value for money. If I buy something advertised as the real deal then generally you pay a real deal price for it.

If I see something for 1/4 the price then the first thing that springs to mind is "fake" but if it's something I'm happy to have as a fake then so be it. Perfect example here is the counterfeit watches you can buy in countries like Turkey where copyright laws are non-existent; I'd be happier with a fake Tag/Omega/Rolex for £50 than I would a real one for £500 as it will look nice and tell the time. With those I'd also never think about re-selling as I know they're fake and let's face it if I paid £50 for it what could I realistically re-sell it for anyway?

[tristanhilton85]

  MiniBlueDragon said:

Originally Posted by MiniBlueDragon

I guess for me it entirely depends on value for money. If I buy something advertised as the real deal then generally you pay a real deal price for it.

If I see something for 1/4 the price then the first thing that springs to mind is "fake" but if it's something I'm happy to have as a fake then so be it. Perfect example here is the counterfeit watches you can buy in countries like Turkey where copyright laws are non-existent; I'd be happier with a fake Tag/Omega/Rolex for £50 than I would a real one for £500 as it will look nice and tell the time. With those I'd also never think about re-selling as I know they're fake and let's face it if I paid £50 for it what could I realistically re-sell it for anyway?

Yeah, I think that is the completely wrong attitude to have with counterfeits/fakes.  Look, I understand that you realize what your are getting and at the price you are buying it for you are ok with it.  What I'm not ok with is the fact that you are supporting people making counterfeits.  The fact that you and others like you take this attitude is why these types can stay in business and people end up getting a fake when they think it's the real thing.  If you don't mind cheap stuff thats cool... I don't mind cheap stuff... just buy LEGIT cheap stuff and not a counterfeit.

[18thbunker]

I think the argument is ----- wow I paid a lot of money for a fake.

But you have valid points.

  MiniBlueDragon said:

Originally Posted by MiniBlueDragon

If you paid peanuts for it and it arrives and you can putt well with it, does it matter if it's fake?

If I could one-putt every green with a £1 putter I would!

Performance > Brand

[MiniBlueDragon]

  tristanhilton85 said:

Originally Posted by tristanhilton85

Yeah, I think that is the completely wrong attitude to have with counterfeits/fakes.  Look, I understand that you realize what your are getting and at the price you are buying it for you are ok with it.  What I'm not ok with is the fact that you are supporting people making counterfeits.  The fact that you and others like you take this attitude is why these types can stay in business and people end up getting a fake when they think it's the real thing.  If you don't mind cheap stuff thats cool... I don't mind cheap stuff... just buy LEGIT cheap stuff and not a counterfeit.

Ah so what you're saying here is that unless somebody can afford an original of whatever product it is, they shouldn't be allowed to have something similar? A fake by all counts is similar but not the same, else it would cost the same to manufacture and then wouldn't be able to be sold cheaper.

Each and every club in my bag has been brought from new because I have been fortunate enough to afford to buy it from new and I like all my stuff to be new and not second hand. I have nothing against second hand gear; I just prefer knowing that my clubs are A1 class brand new and not likely to fail. Typically I'm not the type of client these club counterfeiters target because of that fact.

If for instance I liked Scotty putters I would not buy a fake; I'd rather shell out the cash and get a legit one if I thought it was worth the money.

If though something has an RRP which I feel quite frankly takes the mickey out of the consumer I see no problem with paying for something within a suitable price frame whether that's another brand or a counterfeit of the one I like.

  18thbunker said:

Originally Posted by 18thbunker

I think the argument is ----- wow I paid a lot of money for a fake.

But you have valid points.

The issue for you is not whether it's fake or not but the fact that you were lied to and told it was authentic and you paid close to an authentic price for it. For that reason alone I'd fight for a refund. Ultimately it's a case of what you'd class as value for money.

[Elvisliveson]

  tristanhilton85 said:

Originally Posted by tristanhilton85

Yeah, I think that is the completely wrong attitude to have with counterfeits/fakes.  Look, I understand that you realize what your are getting and at the price you are buying it for you are ok with it.  What I'm not ok with is the fact that you are supporting people making counterfeits.  The fact that you and others like you take this attitude is why these types can stay in business and people end up getting a fake when they think it's the real thing.  If you don't mind cheap stuff thats cool... I don't mind cheap stuff... just buy LEGIT cheap stuff and not a counterfeit.

^This

[glock35ipsc]

If someone is trying to sell me a Scooter Cameron putter, saying it is just as good as a Scotty Cameron, looks almost identical, but a lot less money.... I'll bite if I like it.  Or selling me a Rolodex watch that looks identical to the Rolex costing $1000 more, no problem.

But, someone selling me a putter on the pretense that it IS a genuine Scotty Cameron, when it is clearly a fake putter made to look identical to the original, tricking me into thinking I am buying an original?  In that case, if the buyer knows he is buying a faked copy of the real deal trying to pass as the real deal... then the buyer is just as guilty as the counterfeiter.

My company has run into people trying to sell our patented items in other countries (where we happen to hold patents as well) and trying to pass them off as our genuine products.  We actively search out and prosecute whenever we can.

[glock35ipsc]

Affordability isn't the issue.  Similar is totally different to a fake.  One is made to LOOK similar, usually with a similar name, and marketed as such.

The other is a blatant attempt to fool the buyer into thinking they are getting the genuine product at a "discounted price".

  MiniBlueDragon said:

Originally Posted by MiniBlueDragon

Ah so what you're saying here is that unless somebody can afford an original of whatever product it is, they shouldn't be allowed to have something similar?