I.K. Kim misses One Foot Putt, Yoo wins 2012 Kraft Nabisco Championship

[mtsalmela80]

Hey I have a thing for South Koreans. My son's mother is South Korean...but she looks nothing like I.K. Kim ::sigh::

[mchepp]

Originally Posted by turtleback

Is this worse than Van de Veldt blowing the British Open?

I'd vote no, as it was a single, albeit huge, mistake, whereas VdV made several ridiculous decisions in his melt-down, any one of which, had he decided differently, would have given him the win.

Agreed. Why Van de Veldt hit driver is still beyond me. Then the worst decision of all to try and hit a 3 iron after almost blowing it with the driver.

This was innocent mistake, and not done with bad decisions per say, but a lapse of concentration.

What about the Scott Hoch comparison? To me they were pretty close.

[zipazoid]

Originally Posted by mchepp

Agreed. Why Van de Veldt hit driver is still beyond me. Then the worst decision of all to try and hit a 3 iron after almost blowing it with the driver.

This was innocent mistake, and not done with bad decisions per say, but a lapse of concentration.

What about the Scott Hoch comparison? To me they were pretty close.

VdV was a far greater meltdown. A mistake compounded by a mistake compounded by a mistake. Kim just horseshoe'd a putt. And BTW, we almost had this same sitch with Johnson Wagner earlier this year in Hawaii when his winning putt from like 3 feet damn near lipped out. It happens - rarely - but it happens. I still think the shadows messed with Kim on her putt.

[iacas]

Van de Velde didn't even really hit poor shots.

His drive got lucky (but that fairway is really tight, and yes, I agree he should have hit three seven-irons and been done with it). He hit his 3I well and in a reasonably smart place - right, because there's OB left.

Van de Velde simply got unlucky that he hit the railing, and not only did he hit the railing, but he hit it in such a way that it bounced backwards into some horrible horrible stuff.

And once it was in that, well, he played "okay" - the rough grabbed his club and he hit it in the water. Then he dropped and made a good putt to "save" his seven.

He never really hit a bad shot. Nowhere near as bad as missing a putt from a foot. He made a mental mistake on the tee shot (that he got away with), got unlucky with his second (didn't get away with it), and made a mental mistake with his third (that he didn't get away with), but none of those shots were "bad" like the missed putt.

[zipazoid]

Originally Posted by iacas

Van de Velde didn't even really hit poor shots.

His drive got lucky (but that fairway is really tight, and yes, I agree he should have hit three seven-irons and been done with it). He hit his 3I well and in a reasonably smart place - right, because there's OB left.

Van de Velde simply got unlucky that he hit the railing, and not only did he hit the railing, but he hit it in such a way that it bounced backwards into some horrible horrible stuff.

And once it was in that, well, he played "okay" - the rough grabbed his club and he hit it in the water. Then he dropped and made a good putt to "save" his seven.

He never really hit a bad shot. Nowhere near as bad as missing a putt from a foot. He made a mental mistake on the tee shot (that he got away with), got unlucky with his second (didn't get away with it), and made a mental mistake with his third (that he didn't get away with), but none of those shots were "bad" like the missed putt.

Okay, maybe not poor shots per se...but horrid strategy (you're also forgetting after the drop he hit it in the bunker). You'd think after lucking out with the drive he'd go wedge wedge & grab the Claret. His was a car crash in slow motion. Kim's was a missed putt. It catches the lip & falls in we're not even having this discussion.

[Shorty]

Originally Posted by iacas

Van de Velde didn't even really hit poor shots.

No he didn't. The video that is played over and over is him standing in the burn looking as if he was contemplating hitting a ball a foot under water, or whatever it was.

Not the ball mark on the railing/scaffolding or the great clutch putt he made to get in the playoff.

It would have been a meltdown if he had tried the shot.

His loss is mentioned as the geat "meltdown", but, as you say, it wasn't.

He is misrepresented by many.

[zipazoid]

Needing double bogey on the last hole to win & making a triple is a meltdown. Didn't we just have this discussion regarding Kyle Stanley at San Diego?

[iacas]

Originally Posted by zipazoid

Needing double bogey on the last hole to win & making a triple is a meltdown. Didn't we just have this discussion regarding Kyle Stanley at San Diego?

I'm not going to revive that topic again (nor should anyone else, because this topic is about I.K. Kim), but Stanley's triple didn't involve quite as much bad luck as VdV's. Revive that thread again if you want (or just go back and read it). Kim's putt really involved no luck at all, good or bad. She missed the middle 3.75" of the hole or so. From a foot.

Probably happened too quickly to call it a "meltdown" but it was a brain fart or a yip or something of major (no pun intended) proportion.

[zipazoid]

Originally Posted by iacas

Probably happened too quickly to call it a "meltdown" but it was a brain fart or a yip or something of major (no pun intended) proportion.

That's my point too. She had a one-shot lead going into 18. Played it textbook. Lagged her birdie putt to a foot from the hole then...arrgh. Horseshoe. Don't see how that in any way even comes close to the definition of a meltdown. It was a missed putt. Period.

And even the miss wasn't that horrible - she caught the lip & it 180'd. Contrast that to Scott Hoch not even hitting the hole or Doug Sanders wishing the putt in & missing it badly. Those were chokes. Kim's was more just one of those things. Again, nothing up until that point indicated she wasn't in total control. Adn her reaction confirms it - total shock.

[zeg]

Originally Posted by iacas

He never really hit a bad shot. Nowhere near as bad as missing a putt from a foot. He made a mental mistake on the tee shot (that he got away with), got unlucky with his second (didn't get away with it), and made a mental mistake with his third (that he didn't get away with), but none of those shots were "bad" like the missed putt.

I'm not directly familiar with VdV's finish, I think strategic errors are worse than botched shots. Yes, blowing a 1 footer is a screwup, but everyone hits lousy shots occasionally, and it's inevitable that they'll sometimes happen in critical moments. However, two significant strategic errors on a hole is more of a "meltdown" than missing a stupid putt, IMO.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by zeg

I'm not directly familiar with VdV's finish, I think strategic errors are worse than botched shots. Yes, blowing a 1 footer is a screwup, but everyone hits lousy shots occasionally, and it's inevitable that they'll sometimes happen in critical moments. However, two significant strategic errors on a hole is more of a "meltdown" than missing a stupid putt, IMO.

I'm just suggesting that they're different types of "bad." :)

[zeg]

Originally Posted by iacas

I'm just suggesting that they're different types of "bad." :)

Ok, no argument here. :-)