Toe Up Swing Left question

[alexander19]

Hello All, I have a strong grip and recently put two new swing thoughts into my head which have helped a ton except for my wedges. My misses use to be a bad hook so my golf pro gave me a couple helpful tips. 1. Making sure toe is up during the takeaway 2. Swinging left I played last weekend and hit every fairway but 1 and it was my first time using the dianama whiteboard with my titleist 909 driver. I was happy with my irons considering I was trying two new swing thoughts. The only problem I had were my wedges (52 56 60). I was hitting the ball fat every single time, my divots looked like they were coming in to steep. Is this because the swinging left part caused my swing to come into the ball to steep on the shorter irons/wedges? Any help is much appreciated, thank you.

[mvmac]

The "swinging left" can be a tough one and is rarely done well or taught correctly.  Could be effecting what's going on.  That and rolling the forearm to get the toe up, too much rotation, then you have to roll it hard to match it up on the downswing, can be tough to do.

[alexander19]

My face was closed on top of swing, very similar to zach johnson and dustin johnson. Do you not advice rolling the forearms (mainly left one) in order to get the toe up and face open???

[alexander19]

The two swing thoughts have completely eliminated the hook, now my misses are hitting it thin which I belive is due to putting too much weight on right side on takeaway.

[Mr3Wiggle]

Originally Posted by alexander19

The two swing thoughts have completely eliminated the hook, now my misses are hitting it thin which I belive is due to putting too much weight on right side on takeaway.

You should post a swing video.

[mvmac]

Originally Posted by alexander19

My face was closed on top of swing, very similar to zach johnson and dustin johnson. Do you not advice rolling the forearms (mainly left one) in order to get the toe up and face open???

Zach and Dustin's faces aren't closed because of any lack of forearm rotation.  Zach has a very strong grip and Dustin palmar flexes (bowes) his left wrist, his club face is square to the back of his left wrist.

Having the toe up means the club face is too open to the arc/inclined plane, most guys look like this.  Tend to see more toe up when the hands work straighter back, encourages more forearm rotation.

[alexander19]

Thank you for those pictures, that was very interesting. I have a strong grip as well and don't want to mess around with it too much so I was told to have toe up during first part of the takeaway. In order to close the club face I was also told to try and imagine swinging left even though on video I could not tell the difference in swing planes it seemed to work. My misses are now thin which shouldnt have to do with too much forearm roation right?

[alexander19]

Is it me or does tiger's clubhead position look awful in this picture?>

[mvmac]

Originally Posted by alexander19

Thank you for those pictures, that was very interesting. I have a strong grip as well and don't want to mess around with it too much so I was told to have toe up during first part of the takeaway. In order to close the club face I was also told to try and imagine swinging left even though on video I could not tell the difference in swing planes it seemed to work. My misses are now thin which shouldnt have to do with too much forearm roation right?

Can't say for sure, would need to see the swing.  If I had to guess I would say the forearm rotation isn't helping things, thin shots could also just be a compensation after hitting some shots fat.

Originally Posted by alexander19

Is it me or does tiger's clubhead position look awful in this picture?>

Looks about right for what he's trying to do, it's a little too closed but the camera angle isn't perfect.  What I like is that it comes close to matching the angle of the left arm and his spine angle at this point in the swing.

Good video to check out

[alexander19]

Sorry for the blurry image not sure why it came out like this......again I have a very strong grip and I have tried to rotate my shoulders more which puts my takeaway in a toe up position. ANy thoughts?

[iacas]

Video is private, fwiw.

[TomNY]

Thin shots maybe due to coming out of your posture - early extension. Remember you want to hit ball then turf. Try looking at front of ball not back. Shift your weight as you move thru the ball. Sounds like you maybe hanging back, or have over active hands.  Just an opinion.