The Wall Drill for Lag

[GlasgowsGreen]

What's everyones thoughts on this drill for creating lag?

From a feedback point of view it seems to be an excellent way of knowing if you are casting or not.

I tried this drill for a couple of nights however found it impossible to avoid hitting the wall! The only way I could do so was to actively hold the wrist angle, but when I did this I was unable to square the club face by the time I hit the ball!

I don't know whether to persevere with it or not? My main concern is that it will do more harm than good.

[Zeph]

I'm not a fan. Stick with your Tour Striker and see where that gets you. Also, there can be other components in the swing causing your problems.

[The_Pharaoh]

I really like it, but agree with you that initially it is difficult to hit the ball well doing this drill but that is because your sequencing is now out of whack! When you cast you need a compensation in order to hit the ball (like lifting up or you'll hit the ground before the ball), so until you also eliminate that compensation you are going to struggle.

As you know creating lag to be correct, keep persevering with the drill until you nail it. Video your swing to make sure you are doing it right and while you are at it check to see how the rest of the swing is looking.

[GlasgowsGreen]

According to my golf pro the only real flaws I have in my swing are my early release and a slight out to in swing path.

My golf is coming on - I shot 40 at my local 9 hole course yesterday - but I just need more consistency with my long irons and driver.

I'm the kinda guy who will happily stand at a wall for a month hitting balls if it will make me a better golfer. Not sure if this drill will though! It might tell me if I'm casting but whether it will teach me not to, I'm not so sure.

[Beachcomber]

I think it's a great drill.  And I noticed that you were losing PA#2 in your swing.  So I agree with your pro that you're working with.

[The_Pharaoh]

Originally Posted by GlasgowsGreen

According to my golf pro the only real flaws I have in my swing are my early release and a slight out to in swing path.

I haven't seen your swing but it would appear the early release is what is sending the path left too quickly (out to in). Make sure that at A6 (club parallel to ground on the downswing) the clubhead is not below your hands and also check to make sure your right hand doesn't start to roll over the left as you lower your arms. I see this mistake a lot in my students. They bring the club down from A4 to A6 quite well, but in their eagerness to hit the ball the clubhead gets too far in front on them as they enter A7 and cut across the ball.

[johnthejoiner]

Loss of lag can be a result of a backswing that is too long and/or getting the upper body moving toward target. No drill, holding action, or training aide fixes those problems.

mon the Hibs

[GlasgowsGreen]

Thanks for the replies

I'm not familiar with the terms PA#2, A4 etc. Where can I find out more about them?

[The_Pharaoh]

Golf Terminology link

Motions

Basic Motion = "Chip" = Clubhead goes two feet back and two feet through (kinda like a chip)
Acquired Motion = "Pitch" = Clubhead taken back until the right forearm is parallel with the ground and then parallel with the ground again on the follow through ("9-3").
Total Motion = Full golf swing.

Accumulators in the Golf Swing
1: A bent right elbow
2: Leading (top) wrist cock
3: Angle between shaft and lead forearm (expressed as rotation about that lead forearm)
4: Angle between lead arm and shoulders
Each accumulator has a corresponding pressure point.

Pressure Points in the Golf Swing
1: The heel of the bottom hand where it touches the top hand or grip
2: The last three fingers of the top hand
3: The first joint of the bottom hand index finger where it touches the grip
4: Lead armpit (or where the lead arm touches the chest)
5: Trailing armpit*
* MORAD people add this one. There's no corresponding accumulator but it lets them talk about the trailing elbow separating (or not) from the chest.

Shaft and Elbow Plane
In a one-plane swing the head and hands will follow or stay between two lines: the shaft plane and the elbow plane. Both can be seen here in green and red . Hands follow the shaft plane until the right elbow begins folding, at which point they move up to the elbow plane. Impact is somewhere between the two and the clubhead and hands should exit the far side of the body

http://thesandtrap.com/t/53724/the-ps-positions-or-as-alignments-in-the-golf-swing

[GlasgowsGreen]

Thanks mate

[Spudmonkey]

Sorry don't like it.

Don't "hold the lag", lag is created by what comes before it, its a consequence, not a postition to hold.

Please don't go down the "hold the lag" "pull the handle"  "super float load" road, its very painfull and some people don't get a return ticket from shanksville!

[The_Pharaoh]

Originally Posted by Spudmonkey

Sorry don't like it.

Don't "hold the lag", lag is created by what comes before it, its a consequence, not a postition to hold.

Please don't go down the "hold the lag" "pull the handle"  "super float load" road, its very painfull and some people don't get a return ticket from shanksville!

I agree that it is not easy to hit the golf ball doing this drill, but if nothing else it tells the golfer how NOT to start their downswing.

[burner]

Originally Posted by Zeph

I'm not a fan. Stick with your Tour Striker and see where that gets you.

Also, there can be other components in the swing causing your problems.

Courtesy of the inventor of the Tour Striker:-

http://www.revolutiongolf.com/home/video/1711499423001

[GlasgowsGreen]

Originally Posted by Spudmonkey

Sorry don't like it.

Don't "hold the lag", lag is created by what comes before it, its a consequence, not a postition to hold.

Please don't go down the "hold the lag" "pull the handle"  "super float load" road, its very painfull and some people don't get a return ticket from shanksville!

I asked my pro if he was actively holding the wrist angle and (after thinking about it) he said that he does.

I'm working on the assumption that lag is a consequence of what happens before and also what happens during the downswing.

I agree that a good backswing + initiating the downswing with a hip slide is vital, however I can't help but think there is more to good 'lag' than this?

My problem is that I cast the club - I actually throw it outwards at the start of my downswing. To me, the only way I think I can stop doing this is to hold the wrist cock during the transition. I agree though that to try and hold an 'L' shape until the club is parallel to the ground, then try and 'release', is not going to work.

So basically, me 'holding' the wrist cock is actually just me not 'throwing' the club away. Maybe guys that have great lag just don't realise that they are actually 'holding' the wrist cock for longer?

[Spudmonkey]

Originally Posted by GlasgowsGreen

I asked my pro if he was actively holding the wrist angle and (after thinking about it) he said that he does.

I'm working on the assumption that lag is a consequence of what happens before and also what happens during the downswing.

I agree that a good backswing + initiating the downswing with a hip slide is vital, however I can't help but think there is more to good 'lag' than this?

My problem is that I cast the club - I actually throw it outwards at the start of my downswing. To me, the only way I think I can stop doing this is to hold the wrist cock during the transition. I agree though that to try and hold an 'L' shape until the club is parallel to the ground, then try and 'release', is not going to work.

So basically, me 'holding' the wrist cock is actually just me not 'throwing' the club away. Maybe guys that have great lag just don't realise that they are actually 'holding' the wrist cock for longer?

Understood, its a tough one to get shut of casting, it's as much about faith & confidence as anything else. I guess soft hands and arms are part of the key, mix that with the feel of the club position (using the holding method, still don't like it lol), should get you going.

Try the old lifting right thumb and index finger off the grip on the downswing as well (forces you to pull/drive the club).

Oh yeh, flat left wrist as well.

P.S. you haven't got a palmy grip have you? (guess you can't have, your pro would have picked that up a mile away)

[iacas]

Originally Posted by GlasgowsGreen

I asked my pro if he was actively holding the wrist angle and (after thinking about it) he said that he does.

I'm with the other guy: I don't think he's actively holding the wrist angle at all.