• Announcements

    • iacas

      Visit FlagstickRule.com   03/13/2017

      Visit the site flagstickrule.com to read about and sign a petition for the USGA/R&A regarding the one terrible rule in the proposed "modernized" rules for 2019.
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
TheLawFirm

My Swing (TheLawFirm)

15 posts in this topic

I've been Playing Golf for: 3 Months

My current handicap index or average score is: Mid-90s

My typical ball flight is: Low Fade/Slice

The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is: My fierce slice right

2 things:

1- Recently experienced left knee pain on inside (right side of knee), how do I stop that from happening?

2- Is this a swing I can really grow into a good player with?


Videos:

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sign up (or log in) today! It's free (and you won't see this ad anymore)!

Sign up (or log in) today! It's free (and you won't see this ad anymore)!

As for #1, one can see how you might be stressing your left knee.

1.   You seem to take a stance with your feet rather far apart.  IMHO that tends to restrict movement and to put more stress on your knees when your legs are active during the swing.    You might try taking a somewhat narrower stance and see if it helps.  I have a bias toward a narrow stance.

2.   Looks like your feet at a right angle to the address position.   It is most common to either have your right foot at a right angle perpendicular to the line of address (I get weird and actually may have my right foot pigeon-toed and angling to the target and my left foot perpendicular) and your left foot splayed left between 30 and 45 degrees, OR to have both your feet pointing out slightly.   IMVHO that is a matter of comfort and not mandatory to a good golf swing, though for learning purposes it is better to try what pros do first.   But you might experiment a bit with foot angle and see what feels best.

3.  It looks like your legs are very active in your swing.   I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily, though others on here may have a different opinion.   The older style swings did use the legs a lot.   The modern style is to keep the legs quiet and to get your swing arc out of the shoulder turn and not by using the legs; the power of the swing comes from the angle of the shoulders vis-a-vis the pelvis, and some power players keep their pelvis and feet open while taking a gigantic turn the other way with their shoulders.   So you could concentrate on your shoulder turn and limiting the motion of your legs and pelvis to stress your knee less to help your knee.

Question #2.  This is outside my expertise, but that won't stop me from commenting.   Most folk on here will tell you there is a right way to swing a golf club and a wrong way.   I suggest that whatever gives a good result is fine, whether you swing like Jim Furyk, Miller Barber, Ray Floyd, or Bobby Locke.   Those guys made good money out of swings that would give a modern golf pro nightmares.     Arnold (Palmer not Schwartzenegger) said to take a good grip and keep your head still and not to worry about what goes on in between.  Reassuring advice that is not always correct. But everybody's swing is different, thank goodness.

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I tried to edit my post but wasn't able to do so.   What I would add is this.

At about 13-14 seconds, it looks like your right leg is straight and that you are over-rotating your hips on the backswing.  Traditionally, we were advised to keep some bend in the right knee to avoid over-rotation.

There's a thread in these forums to the effect that there is no problem with swinging back against a straight right leg.  Iacas said in still another thread that some pro players have no bend in the right knee.   I don't agree with that, but take a look at that thread about the myth of the straight right leg for yourself.

Where over-rotation comes in is that if you over-rotate, it puts your left knee at an exaggerated angle, which could account for your knee pain.

And btw I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with your swing, except that you use your legs and hips during the swing more than most.   How that might tie in with a slice, I can't say.

Thing about our golf swings is that they can be our swings , and not swings rented or borrowed from somebody else.

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks for pointing these things out to me Tom! Very very very helpful

I think the power coming from the legs and hips, as well as the wide stance and even foot position, comes from my background as a hockey player but I should do my best to keep my hockey shot and golf swing separate. I see what you mean about the stance, leg movement and over swing all contributing to the knee issue.

I'm going to spend time on the range tomorrow to work on the angles and distance of my feet during stance and focus more on my shoulder turn while reducing leg/hip turn.

And on the point about the individual golf swing, I like your point and I guess I should just go with my natural swing while still sticking to the fundamentals--I also kind of like the idea that it's my swing and no one else's.

Your pointers are definitely going to help my game and my health, so cheers, I (and my knee) thank you!

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I did not mean I saw anything funky about your swing.  Looks fine except that your hips move too much in the backswing.   If you are slicing, there is something wrong somewhere,  grip, address or swing path, I have no clue what.

In the backswing, the shoulders move 90 degrees or more, while the pelvis moves about 45 degrees.  I do think you over-rotate with the hips.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

definitely seems like a decent starter swing, hard to tell everything without the other angle to analyze. I can see you're definitely taking a bit too much backswing.... You're coming way past parallel and it's definitely going to hurt your control and ability to make changes to your swing.

you should start trying to take half that much backswing, but still swing down aggressively and as you usually would, and post that video. You'd be surprised to see that it looks like a full swing to the rest of us.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Originally Posted by Ole_Tom_Morris

I tried to edit my post but wasn't able to do so.   What I would add is this.

At about 13-14 seconds, it looks like your right leg is straight and that you are over-rotating your hips on the backswing.  Traditionally, we were advised to keep some bend in the right knee to avoid over-rotation.

There's a thread in these forums to the effect that there is no problem with swinging back against a straight right leg.  Iacas said in still another thread that some pro players have no bend in the right knee.   I don't agree with that, but take a look at that thread about the myth of the straight right leg for yourself.

Where over-rotation comes in is that if you over-rotate, it puts your left knee at an exaggerated angle, which could account for your knee pain.

And btw I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with your swing, except that you use your legs and hips during the swing more than most.   How that might tie in with a slice, I can't say.

Thing about our golf swings is that they can be our swings, and not swings rented or borrowed from somebody else.

I'm not a big fan of your characterization of what I've said in the past.

Keeping the same flex as at address I'm against.

Decreasing flex in the rear knee is something almost all PGA Tour players do.

Locking your knee fully straight I've never said I care for, though I'd take that over "keeping the same flex as at address" just about every time.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Thanks res, I've noticed that I have a big backswing but it's hard for me to change it sometimes because I subconsciously I feel like I'm not going to put any power on the ball without it. I'll be sure to the half backswing but still swing aggressively, I should fix it before it gets further ingrained in me.

Also I'll be sure to put up a video of my swing from the other angle too

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Flipping hands too much to the inside on takeaway.. Your wrists and left arm are too active... Poor hip turn and weight transfer.  Need to brace on inside of right leg and keep flex in right knee.

Practice with a PW clubhead under your right foot and keep the angle in the shaft thoughout the entire swing.

Also practice takeaway by brushing back a tennis ball and can do towel drill under arms to keep connected.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Originally Posted by iacas

I'm not a big fan of your characterization of what I've said in the past.

Keeping the same flex as at address I'm against.

Decreasing flex in the rear knee is something almost all PGA Tour players do.

Locking your knee fully straight I've never said I care for, though I'd take that over "keeping the same flex as at address" just about every time.

Sorry, IACAS.   I reviewed your posts in that other thread and find you are correct;  I misquoted you.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

For some starting ideas to take to the practice range.

You do not need that much knee flex at address, take a little bit of that out.

Take the club away with the shoulders and not your hands.  I noticed you have an immediate wrist cock. Big muscles are more accurate than smaller ones. shoulders > wrists. Focus on a shoulder turn and coiling your left oblique and then set your wrists near the top of the swing.

Shorten your swing up.  You are taking the club a good ways past parallel. This should let you have better accuracy.

Hope this helps!

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Advise less hip turn as well. Shorten the back swing. Stay controlled. A balanced, controlled strike on the ball will carry farther than a big out of balance swing. Straighter too. Keep the lower body quiet, turn the shoulders, keep your feet planted and weight balanced. Turning the hips too much reduces your coil, no matter how great your shoulder turn my be. Power is in the coiling of your upper body. It creates a tension, like a spring being wound up. If you twist the top of a spring, it creates tension. If you do that, then twist the bottom of the spring the same direction as well, you lose the tension (power). Make sense? Shoulder turn 90* if you can, hips only 45* or less.

I'm working on that too. Keeping my feet firm, not picking up the heels etc. Just working on a good coil of the shoulders, then turning the belt buckle to the target. So, back to target, then belt buckle to target. Shoulders rotate on plane, not vertical up n down.

Just think of coiling up a spring... spring is your spine angle, twist the top of the spring to coil and create tension, then release. Let your arms fall into plane, don't try to swing... the rotation of your lower body (hips and belly) toward the target will uncoil your torso, and propel your arms through impact.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm old and have bad knees and a dab back. Here's what I understand my pro advises to take stress off knees and back. (nothing original -- but sound advise)

Point your lead foot more on like 45* down the line (you are close to 90*). Swing into that flexed forward leg right down the foot line. You are doing it but instead of flexing into the ball off the foot, you are flexing into the outside of the 90* foot. One of my swing thoughts is "swing into my flexed forward foot."

As others have said, you have a great swing for such a new-to-the-game player.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So many great suggestions! I just wanted to let you guys all know I took all of your collective advice and it's worked wonders--I shot under 90 twice these past 2 weeks because of my new accuracy, a big milestone for me! While I still have a wider stance, still cock the wrist a bit and I do not feel comfortable without a 90* left foot (all things I am still trying to work on) I have reduced my swing length to go to parallel and reduced hip turn and usage of the lower body and this is the product--the video is just my driver swing but I think you'll get the idea:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fIREE9KZ2g

Anyways, HUGE thanks to all of you for contributing you've helped my game tremendously!

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Didn't emb the video, so reposting... I do notice I still retain some of the old flaws but I'm on the road to fixing them!

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • 2017 TST Partners

    PING Golf
    Leupold Golf
    Snell Golf
    Talamore Golf Resort
    Lowest Score Wins
  • Posts

    • Hmm, where have I heard that a DUI arrest is a medical issue before? Oh yeah, when his agent was arrested for DUI: http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/tiger-woods-agent-mark-steinberg-arrested-drunken-driving-charges Color me skeptical. Not that it really matters. A DUI for an "unexpected reaction" to medication, which probably has a warning on it not to drive when taking it, is just as serious as a DUI for alcohol. If he's going through personal issues, I hope he sorts through them. But he shouldn't get a free pass because alcohol was not involved.
    • I figured it was meds, and while it still bothers me, i'm not as dissapointed as I was when I thought it was alcohol, just because I know how meds can affect you without even realizing it. I went through third degree burns to my left leg, and I did the same thing as him (though I wasn't caught or charged) for a few days thinking I was fine, before once becoming suddenly very tired at the wheel, I mean nodding off like a heroin addict. I had to pull into a parking lot and call some friends to come pick up me and my truck. I didn't drive again until I was off the meds. But it was a reaction I wasn't expecting. I had been tired throughout the ordeal after my surgeries, but I thought it was just my body telling me I needed rest. I had no experience with pain meds, or the anti-anxiety (Clonazepam or some such drug) meds they gave me after my workplace accident, and didn't know how they were affecting me.    I'm not defending Tiger, just like i'm not defending what I did. Had I been caught, I would have rightly been charged, just like Tiger.    And if you think driving at 3am post-surgery when you've slept most of the day and can't sleep at night is something out of the ordinary, I don't know what to tell you. I still go for a drive in the middle of the night when I can't sleep sometimes.  And in Tigers case, he is apparently also a known insomniac. 
    • Uhhhh…? You can have a different reaction weeks into a set drug regimen. Plenty of other factors can change. Dosage. Lack of sleep. Diet. The specific times you take things. I don't much care either way (he should not drive impaired - that puts others in danger) as it's off-course stuff, but I still like facts and dislike speculation.
    • From Sat: 1 - 3 putt 9 - 2 putts 8 - 1 putts I call that a pretty good day with the chicken stick!
    • Haven't been to a driving range yet this year and went out to play my first round of the year on Sat.  No warm up just right to the first tee and bam, nice lil fade to about 100 yards.  Drop it to 4' and I am putting for a birdie!  WOW!  What a way to start. Second hole I pared, third hole I pared as well!  What is going on I thought?  Bogey most of the other holes with a real bad triple but end the front with another par.  42 on the front is looking good! Play about the same on the back with a lot of bogeys and 3 more pars and end with a 43. 85 my first time out this year was sweet!  Only missed 1 fairway and was 14 & 15 for putting.
  • TST Blog Entries

  • Blog Entries

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. kuyarey
      kuyarey
      (36 years old)
  • Get Great Gear with Amazon