Par on the PGA tour

[nick1998bunker]

What do y'all think about par on courses. I feel like wen they have par 70s that only have 2 par 5s it takes away the advantage of the long hitters. I wis they would mandate all courses(even non PGA) to have atleast 4 par 5s

[tristanhilton85]

I disagree... it doesn't take away the long hitters advantages... they still get to hit short irons or wedges into the greens when the shorter hitters will have mid or long irons. Also there may be par 4s that are reachable for them that still give them a shot at eagle.

[Golfingdad]

Totally illogical. Think about it this way: I am now the czar of the PGA tour for the rest of the weekend and I declare that the three par 5's are now par 11's; so the total par for the course is par 89. Who has the advantage now?

[Fourputt]

What do y'all think about par on courses. I feel like wen they have par 70s that only have 2 par 5s it takes away the advantage of the long hitters. I wis they would mandate all courses(even non PGA) to have atleast 4 par 5s

Who cares?  The score is the score.  65 is 65 - doesn't matter if it's 5 under or 7 under.  All you want to see is 15 under par, but it's meaningless if all they do to get it is turn a 500 yard par 4 into a 510 yard par 5.

[jamo]

Totally illogical. Think about it this way: I am now the czar of the PGA tour for the rest of the weekend and I declare that the three par 5's are now par 11's; so the total par for the course is par 89. Who has the advantage now?

America.

[Shorty]

What do y'all think about par on courses. I feel like wen they have par 70s that only have 2 par 5s it takes away the advantage of the long hitters. I wis they would mandate all courses(even non PGA) to have atleast 4 par 5s

I'll re-enter the fray here.

NIck, this is EXACTLY the kind of thing that proves your immaturity and ignorance about the game.

In case you aren't aware of it, scores win tournaments. Not scores relative to par.

You seem to be reacting to all kinds of things without any knowledge - which is fine - but then you don't think or do research about the things you post about.

Iacas gives you a friendly nudge and you glibly brush him off. And you disrespect other forum members.

Cut it out with the "dudes" and "y'alls". You come across as very uncool. I'm not mentioning the mint pants. :-)

If your advice was followed, the majority of courses would have one or two par fives that were reachable with driver and a wedge on the right day.  For what purpose? To say it's a par 72 course?  Long hitters aren't being disadvantaged. But...why should they be advantaged?

Looking at your posts is like going onto a car forum and reading posts where a 10 year old thinks that quarter mile times are the only measure of a car's worth.

The other thing that is driving me (and others) insane, is that someone posts about a particular skill or talent or strength and you immmediately post about what YOU do - as if you are answering questions from experience - low spin, driver length, wedges, longer than PGA distances etc. etc. Every single stereotypical nonsensical answer can be found in your posts.

I'm all for youth and enthusiasm, but you really do need some perspective.

Stop REACTING to things and start thinking and considering things more purposefully.

And the fact that you call your psychologist a "stiff" says a hell of a lot more about you than it does him/her.

You clearly have little respect for your elders and other players.

The topic of this (your) post is totally ridiculous. Pease stop. Now.

[dennyjones]

America.

Na.  The Europeans have better short games.

[nick1998bunker]

Except holes that would be par 5s amplify the yardage gap. So wouldn't that give the longer hitter an even bigger advantage? For instance, think of a 1500 yard hole, a long hitter could hit it in 5 where as a Sunday golfer could only hit it in 8. Giving them a bigger advantage the longer the hole. Even if its only a little

[iacas]

Nick, seriously? Where are they going to find the extra 200+ yards?

[nick1998bunker]

Nick, seriously? Where are they going to find the extra 200+ yards?

what?

[jamo]

what?

You can't just take a 400 yard hole and call it a par-five. You've got to lengthen the two holes.

[nick1998bunker]

You can't just take a 400 yard hole and call it a par-five. You've got to lengthen the two holes.

Are you talking about overall yardage?

[jamo]

Are you talking about overall yardage?

Okay, let's take Oakmont. For the 2007 U.S. Open, it played as a par-70. It's one of the best courses in the world, and there's no way in hell that the USGA isn't going to play there just because it's not a par-72. They would have to alter the course. So if they wanted to make it a par-72, per your request, they would have to add two strokes somewhere. You can't really change par-threes into par-fours, so you have to change two par-fours into par-fives. They would have to take holes that play somewhere in the 450 yard range and get them up to around 600. Where is that land coming from?

[nick1998bunker]

Okay, let's take Oakmont. For the 2007 U.S. Open, it played as a par-70. It's one of the best courses in the world, and there's no way in hell that the USGA isn't going to play there just because it's not a par-72. They would have to alter the course. So if they wanted to make it a par-72, per your request, they would have to add two strokes somewhere. You can't really change par-threes into par-fours, so you have to change two par-fours into par-fives. They would have to take holes that play somewhere in the 450 yard range and get them up to around 600. Where is that land coming from?

I know it's never going to happen but in theory you would have to go somewhere else. And I guess a better way to look at it is overall yardage. You could just make a minimum yardage but I don't see anything wrong with par 3s so you can have as many of those but atleast 4 par 5s.

[MS256]

What do y'all think about par on courses. I feel like wen they have par 70s that only have 2 par 5s it takes away the advantage of the long hitters. I wis they would mandate all courses(even non PGA) to have atleast 4 par 5s

You are a funny guy Nick. A lot of courses are already stretched to the boundaries of the course. Some of the older courses had more par fives at one time but had to change them to par fours.

I don't know who would have the authority to "mandate" adding a couple of par fives, and maybe knocking down a few houses to do it.

[nick1998bunker]

You are a funny guy Nick. A lot of courses are already stretched to the boundaries of the course. Some of the older courses had more par fives at one time but had to change them to par fours. I don't know who would have the authority to "mandate" adding a couple of par fives, and maybe knocking down a few houses to do it.

I know it's not gonna happen but it should. And I beleive tht executive courses do not meet the expectations so I guess whoever did that could do it for normal courses

[JCRuzanski]

What is wrong with y'all? Pretty sure you just offended everyone in the second most populous state in The Union... [quote name="Shorty" url="/t/69977/par-on-the-pga-tour#post_897263"] I'll re-enter the fray here. NIck, this is EXACTLY the kind of thing that proves your immaturity and ignorance about the game. In case you aren't aware of it, [U]scores[/U] win tournaments. Not scores relative to par. You seem to be reacting to all kinds of things without any knowledge - which is fine - but then you don't think or do research about the things you post about. Iacas gives you a friendly nudge and you glibly brush him off. And you disrespect other forum members. Cut it out with the "dudes" and "y'alls". You come across as very uncool. I'm not mentioning the mint pants. :-) If your advice was followed, the majority of courses would have one or two par fives that were reachable with driver and a wedge on the right day.  For what purpose? To say it's a par 72 course?  Long hitters aren't being disadvantaged. But...why should they be advantaged? Looking at your posts is like going onto a car forum and reading posts where a 10 year old thinks that quarter mile times are the only measure of a car's worth. The other thing that is driving me (and others) insane, is that someone posts about a particular skill or talent or strength and you immmediately post about what YOU do - as if you are answering questions from experience - low spin, driver length, wedges, longer than PGA distances etc. etc. Every single stereotypical nonsensical answer can be found in your posts.  I'm all for youth and enthusiasm, but you really do need some perspective. Stop REACTING to things and start thinking and considering things more purposefully. And the fact that you call your psychologist a "stiff" says a hell of a lot more about you than it does him/her. You clearly have little respect for your elders and other players.   The topic of this (your) post is totally ridiculous. Pease stop. Now.  [/quote]

[nick1998bunker]

What is wrong with y'all? Pretty sure you just offended everyone in the second most populous state in The Union...

Just ignore him maybe he will go away