Playing Golf with Someone Carrying a Weapon

[David in FL]

The fallacy in all this is that a responsible CCW person would not show his piece, ever.     It just isn't done.    If somebody shows their gun, especially to a stranger, that's a huge red flag, and I as a CCW holder would excuse myself from that foursome, every time.

There's nothing in the OP that says the player showed you their gun. The entire premise is borderline ridiculous.

[chilidawg]

How many golf courses allow weapons on the grounds? I'm willing to bet that insurance rates are higher for courses that do not have a "no firearms" policy.

[chilidawg]

With Munis, your going to be stuck with the local or state laws. Fortunately, I live in a sane state that still allows local government to set laws barring firearms from public parks (and golf courses).

[chilidawg]

The fallacy in all this is that a responsible CCW person would not show his piece, ever.     It just isn't done.    If somebody shows their gun, especially to a stranger, that's a huge red flag, and I as a CCW holder would excuse myself from that foursome, every time.

The true fallacy is that a "responsible CCW person" would find it ness essay to carry his or her piece onto a golf course in the first place. Lets be realistic here. Exactly how often is it that golfers are attacked by gun wielding maniacs stumbling out of the woods along the 6th fairway? Even in that situation, you are already at a significant disadvantage because your weapon is zipped up inside your golf bag. You'd probably have as much cance of success pulling out the 7 iron and whacking him upside the head (or is that a wedge shot?).

[Elmer]

I have seen a lot of people lose their cool pretty quickly on the course and this led to some stupid actions.

So no. There is no need for it on the course.

[David in FL]

I have seen a lot of people lose their cool pretty quickly on the course and this led to some stupid actions. So no. There is no need for it on the course .

You contradict yourself. Your assumption is that the person in the OP is the one "losing his cool", when it could easily be someone else, and the OP may be in a better position to defend himself and others from a threat.

[chilidawg]

Why do I keep seeing Jack T. Ripper pulling a ma duece out of his golf bag while muttering about "precious bodily fluids?"

[turtleback]

I find it odd that currently a majority (albeit slight) would actually play golf with someone that flashes their gun.  Loaded or unloaded it makes no difference.  You always assume it's loaded for safety.

The thing I find odd though is that if the situation were the same but at a different location, say a shopping mall, would you think the same thing?  How could you feel safe with a total stranger that flashes their gun at a golf course or someplace else?  My point is this, a gun escalates the situation, much like any weapon would especially if the need really doesn't call for it.  Safe or not safe the situation would set off all sort of danger signals.  If your supposed playing partner had a gun and you didn't would you feel safer because he had a gun and you didn't? Or does that mean you both have to be carrying in order to feel safe?

Somehow the logic escapes me.  Now before you send me up in flames..... honestly how would that be any safer than crossing the street?  Or worse still, would you allow you child to play golf with a stranger brandishing a gun?  Maybe golf hunting for golf balls?  But won't that affect the pace of play?  (I am being sarcastic here.)

I find it odd that you have to use such loaded words like flash and brandish, none of which were in the OP scenario.   It gives the impression of an agenda.

The true fallacy is that a "responsible CCW person" would find it ness essay to carry his or her piece onto a golf course in the first place.

Right.  Because we always know what places are safe and which are not.  I bet those folks in the movie theater shot up by the Joker character thought THAT was a safe place.  Then there are the gun-free zones which make people feel like they are safe while making them vulnerable.  Like schools.  And Universities.  And churches.

All of which have been attacked.

I wonder what magic feature golf courses have that makes them "safe" in an intrinsically unsafe world?

[Elmer]

You contradict yourself.

Your assumption is that the person in the OP is the one "losing his cool", when it could easily be someone else, and the OP may be in a better position to defend himself and others from a threat.

First off that is not a contradiction.

Secondly, it is your assumption that the person in the OP is the not the one loosing "his" cool, when in fact it is possible!

Regardless, if either golfer looses his cool chances are both have golf clubs in their hands.

We have all seen golf bring people to irrational behavior, from tirades to throwing clubs, to smashing up a green with a putter.

For argument sake if someone can get that mad and wants to fire a few rounds into a tree or green what is to stop them? Oh it is probably because gun owners are responsible and would never do that!

I have yet to hear a valid reason for bringing a gun on a course as described in the OP.

You might as well pack some heat when going to a school play or kids soccer game or the grocery store, you might have to to defend yourself there aswell. But yet we dont, why?

At least on the course you have 10 iron stick to use for defense!

[David in FL]

First off that is not a contradiction. Secondly, it is your assumption that the person in the OP is the not the one loosing "his" cool, when in fact it is possible! Regardless, if either golfer looses his cool chances are both have golf clubs in their hands. We have all seen golf bring people to irrational behavior, from tirades to throwing clubs, to smashing up a green with a putter. For argument sake if someone can get that mad and wants to fire a few rounds into a tree or green what is to stop them? Oh it is probably because gun owners are responsible and would never do that! I have yet to hear a valid reason for bringing a gun on a course as described in the OP.  You might as well pack some heat when going to a school play or kids soccer game or the grocery store, you might have to to defend yourself there aswell. But yet we dont, why? At least on the course you have 10 iron stick to use for defense!

Another perfect example of arguments based on complete ignorance of those who choose to carry a concealed weapon for personal protection, and the laws for doing so. Other than in those places prohibited by law (which vary from state to state) there are millions of us who do just that...

[chilidawg]

I wonder what magic feature golf courses have that makes them "safe" in an intrinsically unsafe world?

What magic feature of a concealed weapon makes you "safe?" You are at greater risk of suicide than you are for death by a gun. And if you own a gun, your risk of suicide is higher than for non gun owners.

[chilidawg]

Other than in those places prohibited by law (which vary from state to state) there are millions of us who do just that...

Which is why I stay away from Florida. ;)

[David in FL]

Which is why I stay away from Florida. ;)

Thank you! :-D By the way, it's somewhat late to the party, but even Illinois now requires that a person who requests a concealed carry permit must be issued one. How cool is that?! :-)

[Elmer]

Another perfect example of arguments based on complete ignorance of those who choose to carry a concealed weapon for personal protection, and the laws for doing so.

Other than in those places prohibited by law (which vary from state to state) there are millions of us who do just that...

another assumption on your part. You assume I am making this argument as someone who does not carry a concealed weapon, when in fact you are ignorant on the matter.

if there is any ignorance in the "carrying a gun makes me safe" argument, it is the idea that only a gun will be able to keep you safe. it is the idea that when confronted only a firearm will protect you.

We gun owners always assume the worst.

When was the last time you needed your firearm at the course?

at the park?  at the grocery store.

Then again you live in Florida, which is basically the modern day wild west!

[David in FL]

another assumption on your part. You assume I am making this argument as someone who does not carry a concealed weapon, when in fact you are ignorant on the matter. if there is any ignorance in the "carrying a gun makes me safe" argument, it is the idea that only a gun will be able to keep you safe. it is the idea that when confronted only a firearm will protect you. We gun owners always assume the worst. When was the last time you needed your firearm at the course? at the park?  at the grocery store. Then again you live in Florida, which is basically the modern day wild west!

Not at all. It's your statements that so clearly demonstrate your ignorance on the subject. No assumptions at all. And I don't mean for the term "ignorance" to be taken as mean or hurtful. It's simply a lack of knowledge about a given subject. There are a lot of subjects of which I'm ignorant, and readily admit my ignorance, realizing how obvious it is to others. Likely including some subjects of which you are very knowledgeable. This ain't one of them though. ;-)

[Golfingdad]

Illinois now requires that a person who requests a concealed carry permit must be issued one.

How cool is that?!

Gonna go with "Not even remotely" for $200 Alex.

Also ...

it's somewhat late to the party, ...

[David in FL]

Gonna go with "Not even remotely" for $200 Alex. Also ... [URL=http://thesandtrap.com/content/type/61/id/122673/] [/URL] :dance:

LOL! :beer: You're living in the right place for you though. One of only 6 states in the entire United States that only allow for a permit to be issued. They don't require it.

[Ernest Jones]

Thank you! :-D By the way, it's somewhat late to the party, but even Illinois now requires that a person who requests a concealed carry permit must be issued one. How cool is that?! :-)

Surely it's more nuanced than that.