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what do you consider a draw? when does a draw become a hook? 5 yards, 10 yards off line... ????

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Hmm for me a hook is 30+. Maybe anything less than 45* of target.

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First of all, what club are you referring to?
At the stage my game is today, i only try to work driver, 6 7 8 iron. Anything else, I am happy to hit straight. And with the irons I mentioned, I am normally aimed about 10 yards right of a pin if i try to draw it. ( I know some better players will tell me to just go to the middle of the green where my handicap is today..but I love to pull it off more than flailing away from that bunker). In that case, I think if I miss 10 yards left of the pin, it would be a hook in my book.

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A hook is when the ball draws more than you intended to draw it.

If forced to actually give an answer, I'd say it's somewhere around 8% of the distance. If your driver goes 250 and it draws 18 yards, it's a draw, but 22 yards and it's into hook territory. But that's only my answer based on about three seconds of thought, so...

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if it's my shot, it's a nice draw. if it's my opponents, it's a duck hook, no matter how small the bend.

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I play a draw, so for me, I would say usually anything more than 10-15 yards with a driver is a hook. When I'm on my draw is between 5-10 yards.
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i agree with the "anything more than you intend to draw it." if i aim for the center of the green and the pin is on the right side and i draw it so it misses the green right (even a few yards) it was hook.

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what do you consider a draw? when does a draw become a hook? 5 yards, 10 yards off line... ????

A draw is a shot played exactly the way you wanted to play it. A hook is when it ends up in big trouble.

But really it's all a matter of opinion and result, there's no definite answer.
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It's a hook when it goes from the center of the fairway, over the rough, and winds up in waist deep weeds (or the trees, or water, or someone's backyard).

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It's not a question of distance. If I intended to hit a right-to-left shot and I do, and I hit my target, it was a draw. Any miss to the left and I hooked it.

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It's not a question of distance. If I intended to hit a right-to-left shot and I do, and I hit my target, it was a draw. Any miss to the left and I hooked it.

Let's say you pictured a right to left shot moving 10 yards right then 10 yards left back to your target. If you actually hit the ball 30 yards right and it curved 30 yards back to your target, would you consider that a hook or draw?

I would call that a hook. If it landed on the green and kept moving left, I'd defintely call it a hook. If it came in too hot, I would also call that a hook. I believe the draw is simply a tighter hook, moving right of the target then moving the same amount left ranging from a few inches to no more than, say, 10 yards. The longer the shot, the more movement you're allowed.

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I usually use 10% of carry distance to determine whether or not I've hooked/sliced it too much (its also the type shot disperson that I normally aim for).

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Well, according to some golfers, hooks are rude because you can't talk to them and they sure don't listen.

In my book, a draw is a slight right to left ball flight that hits its intended target and a hook is a more severe, unwanted right to left flight. A snap is just a quick duck hook to the left that is almost as ugly as a shank. Nothing is as ugly as a shank!

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if it's my shot, it's a nice draw. if it's my opponents, it's a duck hook, no matter how small the bend.

I'd like to change my answer to this. That's great!

What if you intend to hit it straight or even a fade and the ball "draws" to the left instead? Would you call that a draw or a hook? Unintended draws can be bad shots as well.

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Let's say you pictured a right to left shot moving 10 yards right then 10 yards left back to your target. If you actually hit the ball 30 yards right and it curved 30 yards back to your target, would you consider that a hook or draw?

I guess I'd have to agree, but it would depend on the shot. I've got no command of a fade, so this is something I deal with all the time. I'll frequently make solid contact on approach shots and watch them start right at my target and "draw" well left into up and down territory. To me that's not a draw.

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what do you consider a draw? when does a draw become a hook? 5 yards, 10 yards off line... ????

Its only a hook if I dont like the outcome

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