Non Conforming Drivers 2008

[Wood]

Looks like Taylor Made is taking a hit here .....

Sorry if this is old news...

[Snake]

What exactly is it that makes a driver non-conforming? I compared conforming and non-conforming drivers side by side and couldn't tell the difference. Also, does it only apply to drivers or are there also non-conforming fairway woods, irons, putters, etc.?

[eirvev]

How do I know that my Hibore XL is conforming/ nonconforming? The Hibore XL stands on both lists..

I both mine from www.rockbottomgolf.com Can somebody help me?

[DERSCH_79]

How do I know that my Hibore XL is conforming/ nonconforming? The Hibore XL stands on both lists..

http://www.usga.org/equipment/non_co...iver_list.html you will find your hibore xl on the list.

[countjyro]

I was looking over the list of non-conforming drivers and had a question arise. Is it possible that in a couple years, my driver will be non-conforming? Or is it more of a, "once it works, it always works" type of thing?

[BigBallSmasher]

I See that several players stated that they can find no difference in performance between thier conforming and non-conforming clubs....
Wow! Really? I have recorded great differences between my conforming clubs(cobra F-speed, Taylor Made R7, Krank El-Diablo) and my Non-conforming Taylor Made R7 (COR .865) and Yamaha Inpres GRX(COR.880).
To make a long story short My max swing speed is 147 mph and my average tee box swing speed is 126 mph. My max speed is only attainable at the range when I have been working on my timing for hours at a time.
The last time I tested all my drivers side by side I hit 20 balls with each club and only recorded the 10 fastest swing speeds with each. I used pinnacle exceptions with all clubs. I used a radar swing sensor for clubhead speeds and a Garmin Golf Logix for distances. I found that my Conforming clubs performed as follows:
R-7 averaged 297 yards at 227 mph swing
Cobra F-Speed 291 yards at 225 mph swing but much more accurrate
Krank El Diablo 296 yards average but my swings never got over 226 mph with an average of 222 mph.

Non-conforming clubs performed as follows:

Taylor Made R-7 COR .865 averaged 319 yards at 226 mph average swing speed.
Yamaha GRX Inpres .880 COR averaged 333 yards at 227 mph average swing.

This test needs to be performed again and under a variety of conditions but the results are pretty amazing.
The difference between my shortest club and longhest club was 42 yards! Is that a 14% increase? My math sucks... But still, pretty darned noticable!
I think the key to getting results from a Non-conforming club is to get your club head speed up there!
Cheers,
BigBallSmasher

[Stacey_E]

To make a long story short My max swing speed is 147 mph and my average tee box swing speed is 126 mph.

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[RC]

220+ mph swing speeds? Hmmmm. A club swung at that kind of speed would not be conforming after impact. It would be "broken."

[Jay-Bird]

How many Ping drivers made the list...oh, that's right. None.

Ping respects the game over greed and profit.

[verse214]

How many Ping drivers made the list...oh, that's right. None.

Actually the more logical and sensible interpretation of the data is that PING is not willing to push the limits in research and technology and their clubs perform well under the factor thresholds that determine whether a club is conforming or non-conforming.

I don't see how greed and profit come into play here.

[Jay-Bird]

Actually the more logical and sensible interpretation of the data is that PING is not willing to push the limits in research and technology and their clubs perform well under the factor thresholds that determine whether a club is conforming or non-conforming.

or not. The v.p. and C.E.O. of Ping (the creator of the company's son) had this to say...(a few years ago), but it still holds value.

"Someone took advantage of a slight difference between the R&A; and the USGA to market their clubs,'' said John Solheim, chairman and CEO of Ping Golf. " It's too bad they had to sacrifice the game for financial goals .'' from: http://www.golftoday.co.uk/news/year.../callaway.html

[TheWarHound]

I guess I don't know what a conforming club is . . .

[RC]

Ah... my Titleist are OK... but does Aschunet own Cobra?

[iacas]

Actually the more logical and sensible interpretation of the data is that PING is not willing to push the limits in research and technology and their clubs perform well under the factor thresholds that determine whether a club is conforming or non-conforming.

No, but they're willing to sue the USGA over grooves... I don't think Ping's the saint their lack of "non-conforming drivers" implies.

[Jay-Bird]

No, but they're willing to sue the USGA over grooves... I don't think Ping's the saint their lack of "non-conforming drivers" implies.

Ping is not

making (for sale) the grooves-within-grooves clubs yet. They are not putting them out there against the rules, then waiting for a reaction. They are testing the USGA with their design ideas to see if they will be approved. They are not boldly in the face of the USGA. If they produced the clubs and sold them after the USGA/R&A; declared them nonconforming – THEN they would be hypocritical – but as it is - they are just testing the waters (on paper ).

[iacas]

Ping is not

Are you relatively new to the game? I was referring to 1990.

[Jay-Bird]

Are you relatively new to the game? I was referring to 1990.

No.

Are you referring to the Ping Eye 2 Square groove issue? Ping sued beacuse the USGA declared the grooves illegal and banned them from USGA play after years of them being perfectly legal. They reached a settlement and the ban on the "illegal" groves was lifted, without the USGA admitting to vilolating anti-trust laws, but the clubs were grandfathered back in. Ping never went around any USGA rule or blatantly ignored any rule to try to sell more clubs. They just defended what was legal in the first place.

[iacas]

Are you referring to the Ping Eye 2 Square groove issue?

This is off-topic, so I'll keep it short. Obviously I was referring to that, I know what went down, and I lost respect for Ping because of it. I thought they handled it poorly.