Bogey Golfers Only (Index 16-22) / Breaking 90 Topic

[Lihu]

6300 yards, par 72, but it played shorter b/c of all the rolls & high elevation (4400 ft).

Still plays at least like 6100. Surprised that you get so much roll in the winter. Everything plugs down here.

Plus, at the lower 45-55 F degree fall/winter temperatures the courses seem to play longer.

[rkim291968]

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Originally Posted by rkim291968

6300 yards, par 72, but it played shorter b/c of all the rolls & high elevation (4400 ft).

Still plays at least like 6100. Surprised that you get so much roll in the winter. Everything plugs down here.

Plus, at the lower 45-55 F degree fall/winter temperatures the courses seem to play longer.

The course was at Reno, Nevada and I was surprised, too, that balls rolled so much.   My home course OTOH (6200 yards from blue) plays more like 6400 due soft condition.  Yesterday, my hybrid club tee shot got plugged and cost me a stroke.  It was a 202 yard par 3 hole and I was trying to hit 170 and roll it into the green.  Well, it got plugged at about 170 yards, a little short of green and well short of the hole (in the back of the green).   With the hole on the back, I chipped and two putted for a bogey.

One thing I've noticed, the Reno course had three visible holes on every green.   One was the normal hole, and the two other holes were plugged with a foam, flushed with green.   The explanation from the course was that during winter, they don't dig new holes due to ground condition.  Instead, they rotate around the three holes.   The 3 holes were strategically placed in the front, middle, and back of greens.

[Lihu]

The course was at Reno, Nevada and I was surprised, too, that balls rolled so much.   My home course OTOH (6200 yards from blue) plays more like 6400 due soft condition.  Yesterday, my hybrid club tee shot got plugged and cost me a stroke.  It was a 202 yard par 3 hole and I was trying to hit 170 and roll it into the green.  Well, it got plugged at about 170 yards, a little short of green and well short of the hole (in the back of the green).   With the hole on the back, I chipped and two putted for a bogey.

One thing I've noticed, the Reno course had three visible holes on every green.   One was the normal hole, and the two other holes were plugged with a foam, flushed with green.   The explanation from the course was that during winter, they don't dig new holes due to ground condition.  Instead, they rotate around the three holes.   The 3 holes were strategically placed in the front, middle, and back of greens.

Great, a GIR turned into a double as the ball bounces off into a hazard.

[MrFlipper]

One thing I've noticed, the Reno course had three visible holes on every green.   One was the normal hole, and the two other holes were plugged with a foam, flushed with green.   The explanation from the course was that during winter, they don't dig new holes due to ground condition.  Instead, they rotate around the three holes.   The 3 holes were strategically placed in the front, middle, and back of greens.

That is really clever! Never heard of that before. I can remember growing up that the pin positions as of December 1 or so were the same for the next three months, greens frozen so you couldn't cut any other holes. Sometimes the pin was frozen in the hole. The edges would get really chewed up.

Anybody else seen this? This seems like one of those "wow I coulda had a v8" moments, what a great idea for courses in the winter up north.

[rkim291968]

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Originally Posted by rkim291968

One thing I've noticed, the Reno course had three visible holes on every green.   One was the normal hole, and the two other holes were plugged with a foam, flushed with green.   The explanation from the course was that during winter, they don't dig new holes due to ground condition.  Instead, they rotate around the three holes.   The 3 holes were strategically placed in the front, middle, and back of greens.

That is really clever! Never heard of that before. I can remember growing up that the pin positions as of December 1 or so were the same for the next three months, greens frozen so you couldn't cut any other holes. Sometimes the pin was frozen in the hole. The edges would get really chewed up.

In the two rounds (4-some, 3-some), we had to move our marker only once to avoid rolling over the plugged holes.   Not bad.

[natureboy]

 

One day one, I've had 10 fairway hits, all with driver.  They landed mostly in the middle, about 200 (no roll) - 260 yards (lots of rolls).    One missed drive ended up inside a bush which I have to take a penalty drop.   I had a lot of poor 2nd shots which wasted my good drives.

 

On day two, I had less accuracy but drives were still playable.  I had similar distance as day one.   One lost drive (blind tee shot) caused a two stroke penalty.   2nd shots were better which balanced out the poor drives. 

< @rkim291968 sorry for the double post - timed out while editing to make the table fit - Q$%$%! - @iacas - feel free to delete post 1104>

Do the numbers in the chart below correspond with your averages (fwy%, average tee distance as a ratio of course length, & score)? It can't be a perfect correlation, because the tee shot is only one part of getting the ball to the hole, but it does act as a foundation - especially for average scoring potential .

AVERAGE SCORE (18 HCP)	65	70	75	80	85	90	95	100	105
Ratio Drive Dist to Tees Length - 25% Fwys	18.1	18.8	19.6	20.5	21.5	22.7	23.9	25.2	26.7
Ratio Drive Dist to Tees Length - 50% Fwys	20.3	21.1	22.2	23.3	24.7	26.2	27.9	29.8	31.8
Ratio Drive Dist to Tees Length - 75% Fwys	23.6	24.7	26.1	27.8	29.8	32.1	34.7	37.6	40.7
Avg Drive Dist @ 50% Fwys & 7000 Yard Tees	345	331	316	300	283	267	251	235	220
Avg Drive Dist @ 50% Fwys & 6500 Yard Tees	321	308	293	278	263	248	233	218	205
Avg Drive Dist @ 50% Fwys & 6000 Yard Tees	296	284	271	257	243	229	215	202	189
Avg Drive Dist @ 50% Fwys & 5500 Yard Tees	271	260	248	236	223	210	197	185	173

Here's the same data expressed as degrees offline & average shot dispersion.

AVERAGE SCORE	65	70	75	80	85	90	95	100	105
~ Avg Degrees Offline (From Ctr Fwy) On Drive	2.0	2.9	3.9	5.0	6.2	7.5	8.9	10.4	12.1
~ Avg Dispersion (Yds) @ 200 Yard Drive	7.0	10.1	13.6	17.4	21.7	26.3	31.4	36.8	42.7
~ Avg Dispersion (Yds) @ 225 Yard Drive	7.9	11.3	15.2	19.6	24.4	29.6	35.3	41.4	48.1
~ Avg Dispersion (Yds) @ 250 Yard Drive	8.7	12.6	16.9	21.8	27.1	32.9	39.2	46.0	53.4
~ Avg Dispersion (Yds) @ 275 Yard Drive	9.6	13.9	18.6	23.9	29.8	36.2	43.1	50.6	58.8
~ Avg Dispersion (Yds) @ 300 Yard Drive	10.5	15.1	20.3	26.1	32.5	39.4	47.0	55.2	64.1

[Lihu]

<@rkim291968  sorry for the double post - timed out while editing to make the table fit - Q$%$%! - @iacas  - feel free to delete post 1104> Do the numbers in the chart below correspond with your averages (fwy%, average tee distance as a ratio of course length, & score)? It can't be a perfect correlation, because the tee shot is only one part of getting the ball to the hole, but it does act as a foundation - especially for average scoring [U]potential[/U]. [TR] [TD] [CENTER]AVERAGE SCORE (18 HCP)[/CENTER] [/TD] [TD] [CENTER]65[/CENTER] [/TD] [TD] [CENTER]70[/CENTER] [/TD] [TD] [CENTER]75[/CENTER] [/TD] [TD] [CENTER]80[/CENTER] [/TD] [TD] [CENTER]85[/CENTER] [/TD] [TD] [CENTER]90[/CENTER] [/TD] [TD] [CENTER]95[/CENTER] [/TD] [TD] [CENTER]100[/CENTER] [/TD] [TD] [CENTER]105[/CENTER] [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD] [RIGHT]Ratio Drive Dist to Tees Length - 25% Fwys[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]18.1[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]18.8[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]19.6[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]20.5[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]21.5[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]22.7[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]23.9[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]25.2[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]26.7[/RIGHT] [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD] [RIGHT]Ratio Drive Dist to Tees Length - 50% Fwys[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]20.3[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]21.1[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]22.2[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]23.3[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]24.7[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]26.2[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]27.9[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]29.8[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]31.8[/RIGHT] [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD] [RIGHT]Ratio Drive Dist to Tees Length - 75% Fwys[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]23.6[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]24.7[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]26.1[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]27.8[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]29.8[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]32.1[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]34.7[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]37.6[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]40.7[/RIGHT] [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD] Avg Drive Dist @ 50% Fwys & 7000 Yard Tees [/TD] [TD] 345 [/TD] [TD] 331 [/TD] [TD] 316 [/TD] [TD] 300 [/TD] [TD] 283 [/TD] [TD] 267 [/TD] [TD] 251 [/TD] [TD] 235 [/TD] [TD] 220 [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD] Avg Drive Dist @ 50% Fwys & 6500 Yard Tees [/TD] [TD] 321 [/TD] [TD] 308 [/TD] [TD] 293 [/TD] [TD] 278 [/TD] [TD] 263 [/TD] [TD] 248 [/TD] [TD] 233 [/TD] [TD] 218 [/TD] [TD] 205 [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD] Avg Drive Dist @ 50% Fwys & 6000 Yard Tees [/TD] [TD] 296 [/TD] [TD] 284 [/TD] [TD] 271 [/TD] [TD] 257 [/TD] [TD] 243 [/TD] [TD] 229 [/TD] [TD] 215 [/TD] [TD] 202 [/TD] [TD] 189 [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD] Avg Drive Dist @ 50% Fwys & 5500 Yard Tees [/TD] [TD] 271 [/TD] [TD] 260 [/TD] [TD] 248 [/TD] [TD] 236 [/TD] [TD] 223 [/TD] [TD] 210 [/TD] [TD] 197 [/TD] [TD] 185 [/TD] [TD] 173 [/TD] [/TR] Here's the same data expressed as degrees offline & average shot dispersion. [TR] [TD] [CENTER]AVERAGE SCORE[/CENTER] [/TD] [TD] [CENTER]65[/CENTER] [/TD] [TD] [CENTER]70[/CENTER] [/TD] [TD] [CENTER]75[/CENTER] [/TD] [TD] [CENTER]80[/CENTER] [/TD] [TD] [CENTER]85[/CENTER] [/TD] [TD] [CENTER]90[/CENTER] [/TD] [TD] [CENTER]95[/CENTER] [/TD] [TD] [CENTER]100[/CENTER] [/TD] [TD] [CENTER]105[/CENTER] [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD] [RIGHT]~ Avg Degrees Offline (From Ctr Fwy) On Drive[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]2.0[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]2.9[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]3.9[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]5.0[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]6.2[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]7.5[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]8.9[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]10.4[/RIGHT] [/TD] [TD] [RIGHT]12.1[/RIGHT] [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD] ~ Avg Dispersion (Yds) @ 200 Yard Drive [/TD] [TD] 7.0 [/TD] [TD] 10.1 [/TD] [TD] 13.6 [/TD] [TD] 17.4 [/TD] [TD] 21.7 [/TD] [TD] 26.3 [/TD] [TD] 31.4 [/TD] [TD] 36.8 [/TD] [TD] 42.7 [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD] ~ Avg Dispersion (Yds) @ 225 Yard Drive [/TD] [TD] 7.9 [/TD] [TD] 11.3 [/TD] [TD] 15.2 [/TD] [TD] 19.6 [/TD] [TD] 24.4 [/TD] [TD] 29.6 [/TD] [TD] 35.3 [/TD] [TD] 41.4 [/TD] [TD] 48.1 [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD] ~ Avg Dispersion (Yds) @ 250 Yard Drive [/TD] [TD] 8.7 [/TD] [TD] 12.6 [/TD] [TD] 16.9 [/TD] [TD] 21.8 [/TD] [TD] 27.1 [/TD] [TD] 32.9 [/TD] [TD] 39.2 [/TD] [TD] 46.0 [/TD] [TD] 53.4 [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD] ~ Avg Dispersion (Yds) @ 275 Yard Drive [/TD] [TD] 9.6 [/TD] [TD] 13.9 [/TD] [TD] 18.6 [/TD] [TD] 23.9 [/TD] [TD] 29.8 [/TD] [TD] 36.2 [/TD] [TD] 43.1 [/TD] [TD] 50.6 [/TD] [TD] 58.8 [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD] ~ Avg Dispersion (Yds) @ 300 Yard Drive [/TD] [TD] 10.5 [/TD] [TD] 15.1 [/TD] [TD] 20.3 [/TD] [TD] 26.1 [/TD] [TD] 32.5 [/TD] [TD] 39.4 [/TD] [TD] 47.0 [/TD] [TD] 55.2 [/TD] [TD] 64.1 [/TD] [/TR]

Not bad correlation to my distance and scores. Pretty accurate.

[rkim291968]

AVERAGE SCORE (18 HCP)

65

70

75

80

85

90

95

100

105

Ratio Drive Dist to Tees Length - 25% Fwys

18.1

18.8

19.6

20.5

21.5

22.7

23.9

25.2

26.7

Ratio Drive Dist to Tees Length - 50% Fwys

20.3

21.1

22.2

23.3

24.7

26.2

27.9

29.8

31.8

Ratio Drive Dist to Tees Length - 75% Fwys

23.6

24.7

26.1

27.8

29.8

32.1

34.7

37.6

40.7

Avg Drive Dist @ 50% Fwys & 7000 Yard Tees

345

331

316

300

283

267

251

235

220

Avg Drive Dist @ 50% Fwys & 6500 Yard Tees

321

308

293

278

263

248

233

218

205

Avg Drive Dist @ 50% Fwys & 6000 Yard Tees

296

284

271

257

243

229

215

202

189

Avg Drive Dist @ 50% Fwys & 5500 Yard Tees

271

260

248

236

223

210

197

185

173

 

 

Here's the same data expressed as degrees offline & average shot dispersion.

 

AVERAGE SCORE

65

70

75

80

85

90

95

100

105

~ Avg Degrees Offline (From Ctr Fwy) On Drive

2.0

2.9

3.9

5.0

6.2

7.5

8.9

10.4

12.1

~ Avg Dispersion (Yds) @ 200 Yard Drive

7.0

10.1

13.6

17.4

21.7

26.3

31.4

36.8

42.7

~ Avg Dispersion (Yds) @ 225 Yard Drive

7.9

11.3

15.2

19.6

24.4

29.6

35.3

41.4

48.1

~ Avg Dispersion (Yds) @ 250 Yard Drive

8.7

12.6

16.9

21.8

27.1

32.9

39.2

46.0

53.4

~ Avg Dispersion (Yds) @ 275 Yard Drive

9.6

13.9

18.6

23.9

29.8

36.2

43.1

50.6

58.8

~ Avg Dispersion (Yds) @ 300 Yard Drive

10.5

15.1

20.3

26.1

32.5

39.4

47.0

55.2

64.1

 

I have a stronger short game than other weekend golfers due to my practice habits (I spend 60% of my practice time on short game - chipping, pitching, bunker).    Looking at the chart, I'd say I am scoring better than my driving stat says, by one or two columns on each category.   For example, my home course is 6200 yards from blue tee.  Due to occasional bad shots & practically no rolls (soft turf condition), I'd be lucky to average 185 yard drive.  Instead of averaging 105 as the chart says, my average on my home course is 97.

This reminds me.   My home course tournaments are all from middle tee except for the final championship (no handicap event with mostly scratch to low single digit HI players participating).  Even for scratch golfers, playing from the tips is challenging.   Sure enough, I checked out the final results and everyone played like they are bogey golfers for the two day event.   The only exception was the winner who averaged 82.   But that doesn't tell the whole story.  On 2nd day, they pulled in 3 tees to make the course shorter.  A little added distance on a challenging course and everyone shoots high score.  This made me realize how good PGA players are.   If the club championship is played using a typical PGA tour tournament distance (7200 yards vs 6700 yards), it's very likely that even the winner would have carded 90+ instead of 82.

[Lihu]

I just played 15 holes, with only 2 pars. Most of them were near GIR with 3 GIR that actually stuck, I only hooked one par 3 and tried to hit over a tree on another one.

My last hole was 409 yards driver/4i to the green side bunker. Took 7 to get out. My shoulder is still in pain from the strained muscle, but that was really bad even for me. Too many 3 putts. too.

Maybe it's time for me to work 35% of the time on my short game versus my current strategy of practicing short game 95% the course.

[natureboy]

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Originally Posted by rkim291968

I have a stronger short game than other weekend golfers due to my practice habits (I spend 60% of my practice time on short game - chipping, pitching, bunker).    Looking at the chart, I'd say I am scoring better than my driving stat says, by one or two columns on each category.   For example, my home course is 6200 yards from blue tee.  Due to occasional bad shots & practically no rolls (soft turf condition), I'd be lucky to average 185 yard drive.  Instead of averaging 105 as the chart says, my average on my home course is 97.

This reminds me.   My home course tournaments are all from middle tee except for the final championship (no handicap event with mostly scratch to low single digit HI players participating).  Even for scratch golfers, playing from the tips is challenging.   Sure enough, I checked out the final results and everyone played like they are bogey golfers for the two day event.   The only exception was the winner who averaged 82.   But that doesn't tell the whole story.  On 2nd day, they pulled in 3 tees to make the course shorter.  A little added distance on a challenging course and everyone shoots high score.  This made me realize how good PGA players are.   If the club championship is played using a typical PGA tour tournament distance (7200 yards vs 6700 yards), it's very likely that even the winner would have carded 90+ instead of 82.

That makes sense. The driving - scoring correlation (both distance & accuracy) are only two input 'channels' of several that contribute to the final score. It seems like it is roughly in the ballpark, though. I would have expected one column difference instead of two, but your earlier posts make it sound like you are a bit less wild than me off the tee, with fewer lost balls & penalty strokes. I'm longer with a poorer short game so we still score about the same. My course is probably easier, though.

How many 'awful shots' do you hit a round? I'm about 6.4 for all my 20 rounds including my nemesis, the doubly awful "lost + penalty".

Quote:

"In a typical 90-shooter's round, about six strokes are lost due to awful and doubly-awful shots," he says. His system defines as "awful" any shot that loses about one shot against par. In the long game, an awful shot is a swing that advances the ball less than 80 yards, that results in a penalty, or that forces a recovery shot.

A swing can be ugly—say, a topped drive that trundles 150 yards down the fairway—but not statistically awful. A total whiff loses exactly one shot. There are "doubly awful" shots that lose about two shots against par, such as shots hit OB with a stroke-and-distance penalty.

- also listed by Broadie as 'awful' are stubbed chips, not getting 'up' from greenside bunker, or missing a 2-foot putt

Your iron game could also be a bit better than a typical bogey golfer too. How many GIR or even more statistically relevant GoFIR (Green or Fringe IR) do you hit on average? And what's your average putts per round?

Pros are really good. At our level it is farily 'easy' to make up for a weakness with another part of our game. As average score gets lower, you can't afford to waste strokes with a part of your game that is not sharp, unless the other skill is otherwordly - like Mike Weir's short game.

[rkim291968]

necessitatedi

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkim291968

I have a stronger short game than other weekend golfers due to my practice habits (I spend 60% of my practice time on short game - chipping, pitching, bunker).    Looking at the chart, I'd say I am scoring better than my driving stat says, by one or two columns on each category.   For example, my home course is 6200 yards from blue tee.  Due to occasional bad shots & practically no rolls (soft turf condition), I'd be lucky to average 185 yard drive.  Instead of averaging 105 as the chart says, my average on my home course is 97.

This reminds me.   My home course tournaments are all from middle tee except for the final championship (no handicap event with mostly scratch to low single digit HI players participating).  Even for scratch golfers, playing from the tips is challenging.   Sure enough, I checked out the final results and everyone played like they are bogey golfers for the two day event.   The only exception was the winner who averaged 82.   But that doesn't tell the whole story.  On 2nd day, they pulled in 3 tees to make the course shorter.  A little added distance on a challenging course and everyone shoots high score.  This made me realize how good PGA players are.   If the club championship is played using a typical PGA tour tournament distance (7200 yards vs 6700 yards), it's very likely that even the winner would have carded 90+ instead of 82.

That makes sense. The driving - scoring correlation (both distance & accuracy) are only two input 'channels' of several that contribute to the final score. It seems like it is roughly in the ballpark, though. I would have expected one column difference instead of two, but your earlier posts make it sound like you are a bit less wild than me off the tee, with fewer lost balls & penalty strokes. I'm longer with a poorer short game so we still score about the same. My course is probably easier, though.

My fairway hit rate is at 61%.  That's my all time high, necessitated by the difficulty of the course (too many OB areas).   I still average 1 - 3 OBs per round, split between tee shots and 2nd shots.

Among few other data, I keep track of holes that I scored double or worse.  In August, I had 22 HI.  Today, it is down to 19.  During the span, my double or worse hole count went from 8 to 6, a very strong correlation.  What didn't correlate?   Putting (got worse, 32 -> 34 per round) & fairway hit rate (no change).   Putting going worse is explained by my stopping putting practice to focus on other areas.  With my full time job and other interests, I can only practice 1 - 2 hours a day and it becomes impossible to focus on all areas.

[natureboy]

necessitatedi

My fairway hit rate is at 61%.  That's my all time high, necessitated by the difficulty of the course (too many OB areas).   I still average 1 - 3 OBs per round, split between tee shots and 2nd shots.

Among few other data, I keep track of holes that I scored double or worse.  In August, I had 22 HI.  Today, it is down to 19.  During the span, my double or worse hole count went from 8 to 6, a very strong correlation.  What didn't correlate?   Putting (got worse, 32 -> 34 per round) & fairway hit rate (no change).   Putting going worse is explained by my stopping putting practice to focus on other areas.  With my full time job and other interests, I can only practice 1 - 2 hours a day and it becomes impossible to focus on all areas.

Congrats on the HI drop.

Could the putts per round drop be due to hitting more greens as part of your handicap improvement? Replacing chip / pitch shots with more putts could be an improvement if your GoFIR or GIR is up.

[rkim291968]

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkim291968

My fairway hit rate is at 61%.  That's my all time high, necessitated by the difficulty of the course (too many OB areas).   I still average 1 - 3 OBs per round, split between tee shots and 2nd shots.

Among few other data, I keep track of holes that I scored double or worse.  In August, I had 22 HI.  Today, it is down to 19.  During the span, my double or worse hole count went from 8 to 6, a very strong correlation.  What didn't correlate?   Putting (got worse, 32 -> 34 per round) & fairway hit rate (no change).   Putting going worse is explained by my stopping putting practice to focus on other areas.  With my full time job and other interests, I can only practice 1 - 2 hours a day and it becomes impossible to focus on all areas.

Congrats on the HI drop.

Could the putts per round drop be due to hitting more greens as part of your handicap improvement? Replacing chip / pitch shots with more putts could be an improvement if your GoFIR or GIR is up.

During the span, GIR did't improve much.  It went from 2.3 to 2.4.  Greens have gotten much faster in that span.  The course aerated the greens in August and it was slow due to all the sand they poured in.   Faster green coupled with reduce practice time may have been the culprit.

[Lihu]

During the span, GIR did't improve much.  It went from 2.3 to 2.4.  Greens have gotten much faster in that span.  The course aerated the greens in August and it was slow due to all the sand they poured in.   Faster green coupled with reduce practice time may have been the culprit.

It's good that you didn't have any roll offs as your GIR figure seems to have remained the same.

[natureboy]

During the span, GIR did't improve much.  It went from 2.3 to 2.4.  Greens have gotten much faster in that span.  The course aerated the greens in August and it was slow due to all the sand they poured in.   Faster green coupled with reduce practice time may have been the culprit.

The faster greens may have left you with longer 1st putts so more three putts and fewer 1-putts?

[rkim291968]

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkim291968

During the span, GIR did't improve much.  It went from 2.3 to 2.4.  Greens have gotten much faster in that span.  The course aerated the greens in August and it was slow due to all the sand they poured in.   Faster green coupled with reduce practice time may have been the culprit.

The faster greens may have left you with longer 1st putts so more three putts and fewer 1-putts?

More 3 putts for sure.   I used to average less than one 3-putt per round.  That figure have gone up to two+ 3-putts per round.  Today, I had two 3-putts but kept the total putts to 32.

[Lihu]

More 3 putts for sure.   I used to average less than one 3-putt per round.  That figure have gone up to two+ 3-putts per round.  Today, I had two 3-putts but kept the total putts to 32.

That's way better than me. I think I get 4 more than you based on our GIRs. Going to need to work on my distance control with all different slopes and speeds. The main thing that could help me is a line drive putt from 5' in. One that can be at all different angles, and I can bang it into the back of the cup at least 80% of the time.

[rkim291968]

The main thing that could help me is a line drive putt from 5' in. One that can be at all different angles, and I can bang it into the back of the cup at least 80% of the time.

Funny you mentioned it.  When I was scoring in 80s two years ago, I read how to break 80 training article on web.  One of the practices it suggested is to practice making 5 ft putt 10 straight times.  Practice ends only when you make 10 in a row.  If you can make 5 ft 80% of the time, you are good to go.  I did the practice for at least a year.  It gave me a lot of confidence in making short putts.  Only if I can read the green well ...

( BTW, in the last 4 rounds, I am back to averaging less than 32 putts per round.  I think I have adjusted to the green speed. )