Do you really care about P.E.D's?

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I have been discussing this on several different blogs and am curious to see how many people really care what so called athletes take to perform.As I stated before I pay to be entertained so shoot up whatever and put on a good show for me.How do the rest of you feel?

[wolverine318]

I think this is one topic where I think if they would just not test and turn a shoulder then it wouldnt be a problem and we would all be happy. But then there wouldnt be the press about it and I also understand the arguments about records. But to me personally it is like, if you dont know it wont hurt you sort of thing.

[blkdiamond]

Since I have kids, for me it is about athletes as role-models. So many kids look up to these athletes and the thought process might be that if they want to be a star athlete all they need are PED's.

Also, is it fair for one athlete who is "drugged-up" to break the record of someone who did it naturally?

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Do you really care if a record from 40 years ago is broken?People live longer now because of "modern medicine" so we all juice do we not?

[FIJIGolf23]

Also, is it fair for one athlete who is "drugged-up" to break the record of someone who did it naturally?

How do you know he did it naturally? FYI, I'm against ILLEGAL Performance Enhancing Drugs. I think it takes away from the honor and integrity of sport. I do, however, think that there are a lot of supplements that should not be considered PED's because they are just additional supplements that don't do anything unless you are willing to work out a lot to benefit from the supplement.

[N.V.M.]

is wacky tobacky considered a P.E.D.?

[Everardo]

How do you know he did it naturally?

I'm with you on this one, I don't know if they are natural or not. I would think it depends more on the era or year the record was set.

Do you really care if a record from 40 years ago is broken?People live longer now because of "modern medicine" so we all juice do we not?

Yes and I'm not alone, in many sports thats all we care about is breaking records. Look at track and field, olympics, drag racing, etc. Some sports get a lot more attention when records are broken. We also see a lot of press about Tiger trying to top Jack's majors, Byron's win streak, etc.

[allin]

Many P E Ds have different effects on different individuals. People who naturally have large frames and muscle are felt to get a bigger boost. Develoment of a varitey of skills should be rewarded. I feel the golf is already becoming another sport where strength is becoming to much a factor. Certainly not a plus for me. I would very much like to see more risk for errant tee shots and more courses which require shot shaping, not more length.

[DirtCheap]

I guess the big worry is that high school athletes will feel as if they have to juice in order to be/stay competitive. To take a PED while your body is still developing can't be good.

As far as professional sports, adults need to be left to make their own decisions about their health. No nanny state!

[TourSpoon]

I guess the big worry is that high school athletes will feel as if they have to juice in order to be/stay competitive. To take a PED while your body is still developing can't be good.

This is exactly what I was thinking. If you make all of this "OK" and it will start even earlier than it does now.

I remember when I was in college, we knew this guy in his 40s that was on the juice so that he could squat 550. I thought this guy is a mailman. Why does he need it, so he can get your mail through the bad weather?

[golf_junkie27]

I absolutely care about PEDs. You are cheating the game and cheating the fans, period. As a result, you increase your profitablity, knowing full well you are a fraud.

Do you think the SEC cares that investment bankers are using inside information? Of course they do.

Do you think that teachers/professors care that students cheat? Of course they do.

If we were playing a round of golf, for say, $100, would you care that I did not count the shots that I did not like?

There are no levels of cheating and I never understood how someone could turn a blind eye. There are rules and they are there to be followed.

I find it despicable that MLB, for instance, has banned the illegal use of prescription drugs since 1968, the first CBA, yet refused to test for it until 2005. There were instances when they tested before then, based on suspicion. However, they turned a blind eye.

As a football fan, I'm not fooled to believe that guys are using PEDs. However, the NFL does its best to remedy and punish those caught. Baseball, a game that I love, fails to do so.

[DirtCheap]

Using that logic, you would have to make sure every single competitor was using the exact same workout and eating the exact same diet.

At some point, some athlete figured out that if he ate an apple before a long run that he could beat out all of those people who ate a steak.

Was he cheating?

So at some point, some athlete figured out that if he drank gallons of water between workouts, he could recover faster and work out more then the other athletes.

Was he cheating?

I don't consider PEDs cheating any more then I consider an exacting scientific diet cheating, but I do consider them wrong for health reasons. I don't want to see our kids juice themselves up and die of an exploded heart @ 35 years old just so we can see a ball fly 10 yards farther, or a runner go 10 thousandths of a second faster.

[golf_junkie27]

Using that logic, you would have to make sure every single competitor was using the exact same workout and eating the exact same diet.

Since when is eating an apple or drinking water, ILLEGAL? What rules are being broken? I guess every forum has one.

[DirtCheap]

Since when is eating an apple or drinking water, ILLEGAL? What rules are being broken?

So everything considered a PED is illegal and/or against the rules of all sports? That's a mighty big statement.

(I'm going to be the grown up in this situation and ignore the last part of your post)

[golf_junkie27]

So everything considered a PED is illegal and/or against the rules of all sports? That's a mighty big statement.

Name me a Performance Enhancing Drug that is legal. Are apples performance enhancing drugs? Is water?

This is the first I've heard that having an elaborate diet is considered an enhancement performance drug. I'm going to have to go google. As for my last comment, every forum does have one: A Skip Bayless. "I'll say something preposterous, won't support it with actual truths and then argue."

[DirtCheap]

Name me a Performance Enhancing Drug that is legal.

GNC is full of them.

The controversy over Mark Mcguire was cenetered around his use of creatine and androstenedione. Both are considered PEDs and both can be bought over the counter at Wal-Mart.

Are apples performance enhancing drugs? Is water?This is the first I've heard that having an elaborate diet is considered an enhancement performance drug. I'm going to have to go google.

The point is, from the very beginning of sports and physical competition, athletes have been looking for ways to get an advantage over each other.

Long before they had PEDs, athletes would do something called blood doping. It's a completely natural process where athletes would train at a higher altitude where the air is thinner and their blood would naturally produce a higher red cell count so it could carry more oxygen. That was the PED of it's day. Technology has moved forward and athletes have found new ways to get a competitive edge over their opponents. It's nothing new, or suprising.

I'll say something preposterous, won't support it with actual truths and then argue.

At least you admit it.

[golf_junkie27]

GNC is full of them.

Andro has been banned. What Wal-mart sells banned substances? McGwire's controversy was never centered around creatine. Creatine came out in 1996 and has never been deemed illegal or a drug. This is about Performance Enhancing Drugs. Do you understand that? Blood doping is illegal in sports. The term blood doping originally meant literally doping with blood, i.e. the transfusion of RBCs. RBCs are uniquely suited to this process because they can be concentrated, frozen and later thawed with little loss of viability or activity. There are two possible types of transfusion: homologous and autologous. In a homologous transfusion, RBCs from a compatible donor are harvested, concentrated and then transfused into the athlete’s circulation prior to endurance competitions. In an autologous transfusion, the athlete's own RBCs are harvested well in advance of competition and then re-introduced before a critical event. That is illegal in sports. That quote was referring to you, not me. Read it, again.

[DirtCheap]

Andro has been banned

You sure about that?

http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/sports/andro.html Since you seem to have trouble with this, I will help you. The answers are all in the first paragraph.

Androstenedione (An-dro-steen-die-own) Ever since Mark McGwire publicly announced his use of androstenedione, sales of this unregulated over-the-counter drug have skyrocketed. It has been touted as both a performance and recovery enhancer, and is being used by many athletes in many different sports. Anytime there is this much hype surrounding a purported performance-enhancing chemical, great caution is advised.

Listen.. Since I am new to this forum, and I don't want to come off to the rest of the fellows as a know-it-all, I'm going to let you off the hook.

Do a little research before you attemp to insult someone you don't know. It may keep you from looking like a fool. (next time anyway )