Is ballooning always caused by flipping?

[hack2scratch]

So i've been struggling with weak shots and very high ball flights. My natural/common shot is high arc'ed with a slight fade when it drops down. I'm never worried on the green because it almost never runs, it would fall dead (maybe 1 hop and then stop).

Everyone's flight seem to be a ramp like trajectory and then max out height and then drop. Mine is more of a bell like shape, it reaches max height and have a equal climbing and dropping trajectory.

 

If you look at this picture, all my irons 5-PW looks like the 9 trajectory. Maybe but more equal/proportion on each side.
 

• My driver goes 170-190yards
• 22* Hybrid 150 yards
• 7i 125 yards (when i first started, my 7i would go 150, but with all changes up till now, i've lost all my yardage)
• SW 75 yards
• My setup for 7i-SW is center of my stance, 22* hybrid one ball forward.
• My grip is strong
• My shaft is s300
• My misses tend to be a iron slice
• When i get nervous/anxious/not playing well, my body reverts to a outside in swing, leading with arms and shoulder. I will slice all irons except PW and SW.
• Ball strike miss is either fat or toe hits
• My left forearm hurts after a game of golf
• I've been told but 2 professionals that I have a very steep swing and I should must be taking humongous divots.
• My swing feels very muscle controlled and not loose and free.

Comparing my yardage to swing speed chart, It looks like it is consistent with 80 mph swing speed. So it looks like yardage is correct for my clubs but the flight its just high? If i start to increase swing speed will i start to get more distance plus preferred ball flight?

Also i noticed that if i do a 3/4 swing the flight is more preferred but i only lose 20 yards or so consistently on all clubs. 

Does this all lead to the flipping?

my swing thread

 

I've improved on my elbows and over swinging a bit. I'm about to keep it on front and more of a one piece takeaway and I no longer turn all the way back.

 

 

Edited April 11, 2017 by hack2scratch

[hack2scratch]

i updated my swing thread.

[iacas]

Ballooning I typically refer to as a ball that starts lower and rises due to too much backspin. That's usually from hitting down too much and usually only seen with the driver.

If you just mean a high floating type of shot, flipping is often the cause, yes.

Are you able to add high-speed footage to your Member Swing thread?

[hack2scratch]

ah wrong terminology, mine is more floaty slow ball. I do not have a high-speed camera, but i can research some options. I have a Nikon D90 i can hook up or try the slo-mo camera on the iphone

 

3 hours ago, iacas said:

Ballooning I typically refer to as a ball that starts lower and rises due to too much backspin. That's usually from hitting down too much and usually only seen with the driver.

If you just mean a high floating type of shot, flipping is often the cause, yes.

Are you able to add high-speed footage to your Member Swing thread?

 

[iacas]

17 minutes ago, hack2scratch said:

ah wrong terminology, mine is more floaty slow ball. I do not have a high-speed camera, but i can research some options. I have a Nikon D90 i can hook up or try the slo-mo camera on the iphone

You have a high-speed camera right there.

[1badbadger]

Yeah, typically a shot that balloons looks like the blue line.  I feel like it can happen with irons (mid and long irons) but it's more common and certainly more noticeable with the driver.  I would say what you are describing are classic symptoms of "flipping" or "scooping".  There are others far more qualified than me on here who can explain how to correct it though.

[sebsmash]

18 hours ago, hack2scratch said:

So i've been struggling with weak shots and very high ball flights. My natural/common shot is high arc'ed with a slight fade when it drops down. I'm never worried on the green because it almost never runs, it would fall dead (maybe 1 hop and then stop).

Everyone's flight seem to be a ramp like trajectory and then max out height and then drop. Mine is more of a bell like shape, it reaches max height and have a equal climbing and dropping trajectory.

 

If you look at this picture, all my irons 5-PW looks like the 9 trajectory. Maybe but more equal/proportion on each side.
 

• My driver goes 170-190yards
• 22* Hybrid 150 yards
• 7i 125 yards (when i first started, my 7i would go 150, but with all changes up till now, i've lost all my yardage)
• SW 75 yards
• My setup for 7i-SW is center of my stance, 22* hybrid one ball forward.
• My grip is strong
• My shaft is s300
• My misses tend to be a iron slice
• When i get nervous/anxious/not playing well, my body reverts to a outside in swing, leading with arms and shoulder. I will slice all irons except PW and SW.
• Ball strike miss is either fat or toe hits
• My left forearm hurts after a game of golf
• I've been told but 2 professionals that I have a very steep swing and I should must be taking humongous divots.
• My swing feels very muscle controlled and not loose and free.

Comparing my yardage to swing speed chart, It looks like it is consistent with 80 mph swing speed. So it looks like yardage is correct for my clubs but the flight its just high? If i start to increase swing speed will i start to get more distance plus preferred ball flight?

Also i noticed that if i do a 3/4 swing the flight is more preferred but i only lose 20 yards or so consistently on all clubs. 

Does this all lead to the flipping?

my swing thread

 

I've improved on my elbows and over swinging a bit. I'm about to keep it on front and more of a one piece takeaway and I no longer turn all the way back.

 

 

Typically my high fade or pushes are caused by leaving the face open at impact.

Personally, making sure I rotate my hands through and keep my head still (instead of drifting back) solves that problem.

I don't know if that will help you, thats what I do. Typically an open face will flight the ball higher.

[hack2scratch]

19 hours ago, iacas said:

You have a high-speed camera right there.

Just updated my swing thread. Should i move this thread to my swing thread? Not sure if I should keep 2 threads.

 

[pushdraw12]

Learn to hit a draw. If you play a high flight - you're losing distance. If you slice the ball you're losing distance. Distance is what you need to improve at your length. The key is to get the club flatter through impact

[hack2scratch]

22 hours ago, pushdraw12 said:

Learn to hit a draw. If you play a high flight - you're losing distance. If you slice the ball you're losing distance. Distance is what you need to improve at your length. The key is to get the club flatter through impact

I am able to hit a draw on the range but only after practicing weight shift and in to out path for about 30 balls or so.

 

I guess I just need to ingrain this? Even with the draw its about the same distance (on the range at least)

[hack2scratch]

Pulled some shots from my video, flipping without chicken wing?

 

this is classic flipping right? (first pic is impact then onwards)

Edited April 14, 2017 by hack2scratch

[Buckeyebowman]

It's not horrible, but yes, you have a little bit of a flip going on there.

My question involves your "stats". You state that your average drive is 170 to 190 yards, then state that you are playing an s300 shaft, and follow that up with how your swing stats sync up with an 80mph swing speed!

My question is this. What the Hell are you doing using stiff shafts with an 80mph swing speed?!

[hack2scratch]

On 4/14/2017 at 9:59 PM, Buckeyebowman said:

It's not horrible, but yes, you have a little bit of a flip going on there.

My question involves your "stats". You state that your average drive is 170 to 190 yards, then state that you are playing an s300 shaft, and follow that up with how your swing stats sync up with an 80mph swing speed!

My question is this. What the Hell are you doing using stiff shafts with an 80mph swing speed?!

Hey, i didnt choose to play with s300 haha. I am using an old set of clubs that just has them on there. Now that i think about it, I might not be 80swing speed but probably still too stiff for me.

When i first started playing, i was sure my 7 iron goes 150 but now i'm losing distance everything. Guess I need to work on the hands at impact before i move to anything else.

[Buckeyebowman]

Ah, gotcha! Yeah, those shafts probably aren't doing you any favors. But, getting your hands right at impact could help quite a bit.