Are 95% of Golfers Republicans?

[Eore]

this is just a person who cant vote now (too young) and won't be able to vote for a while after that (born in canada, and citizenship takes forever) obama is a great SPEAKER, but he say he wants change at his rallies and everybody cheers......he somehow forgets to say how......he says that the country needs to unite, dems, repubs, and others....he the most left wing out the candidates, no rebup would unite with him.........it will be McCain and him, and i hope McCain wins

[lamebums]

I wouldn't vote Democrat even if Jesus Christ was on the ticket

I thought the same thing until very recently. But we have three Democrat frontrunners. Hillary and Obama are Democrats. John McCain is a Democrat posing as a Republican. So which will it be?

[nykfan4life]

I wouldn't vote Democrat even if Jesus Christ was on the ticket

Amen, brother.

this is just a person who cant vote now (too young) and won't be able to vote for a while after that (born in canada, and citizenship takes forever) obama is a great SPEAKER, but he say he wants change at his rallies and everybody cheers......he somehow forgets to say how......he says that the country needs to unite, dems, repubs, and others....he the most left wing out the candidates, no rebup would unite with him.........it will be McCain and him, and i hope McCain wins

+1 Obama is whoever you want him to be, because all he runs on is change. Also totally agree about the whole 'uniter' thing, he is the most left wing socialist out there. No sane Conservative would back anything he says.

Also every conservative who says they won't vote for Mccain is just stupid. As much as I despise him and his rhetoric('reaching across party lines' is bullshit for 'left leaning'), He is still to the right of Obama and Hillary

[lamebums]

Also every conservative who says they won't vote for Mccain is just stupid. As much as I despise him and his rhetoric('reaching across party lines' is bullshit for 'left leaning'), He is still to the right of Obama and Hillary

I don't appreciate being called stupid, first of all, and I have major league disagreements that place him in the same ideological realm as Obama and Billary. He voted against the Bush tax cuts twice. McCain-Feingold. McCain-Lieberman. McCain-Kennedy, the worst sin of them all. He is a traitor to this country, an utter scumbag who should be shot for sedition because of his actions in the McCain-Kennedy bill, amnesty. Rewarding 20+ million felons for being in this country illegally (being here illegally is a felony).

McCain-Lieberman: Cap and trade emissions plus a 50 cent gas tax. As if gas isn't already expensive enough. McCain-Feingold: The bill which put an end to political free speech, giving rise to the George Soros-funded 527 attack organizations. He refuses to secure our borders, fights for left-wing socialist agendas, and wants to stay in Iraq "for a hundred years". A vote for McCain is the same as a vote for Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, or Pol Pot. [/after dozen beer rant] Edit: Actually let's just stick to golf and not politics.

[immts007]

I'm a proud liberal/progressive and of the 12 or so guys I golf with regularly, only one is a Republican. I think among tour pros the 95% might hold up - but it hasn't been my experience. Then again, I play public courses.

In the elections I've been of age for, I voted Reagan in 84, Dukakis in 88, Perot in 92, Clinton in 96 and democrat ever since.

In some things I'm conservative/libertarian but could never vote for a Republican again until they remove all the religious extremism, bigotry, and fascism from the party.

EDIT: but, yeah, I'd rather talk about golf, music, beer and hotties myself.

[CG031]

My political views are liberal, and so are my dad's and we both. I don't think it matters.

[nykfan4life]

In some things I'm conservative/libertarian but could never vote for a Republican again until they remove all the religious extremism, bigotry, and fascism from the party.

I laugh at your statement the Republicans are facists. Is this because you feel it is alright to kill babies, and not allowing women to slay a fetus is 'oppresive'? Or is it because protecting the country against terrorists who want to kill every single one of us because we don't follow shariah(sp? who cares) law is a 'violation of our civil liberties'? Go watch keith olberman make an idiot out of himself.

I don't appreciate being called stupid, first of all, and I have major league disagreements that place him in the same ideological realm as Obama and Billary. He voted against the Bush tax cuts twice. McCain-Feingold. McCain-Lieberman. McCain-Kennedy, the worst sin of them all. He is a traitor to this country, an utter scumbag who should be shot for sedition because of his actions in the McCain-Kennedy bill, amnesty. Rewarding 20+ million felons for being in this country illegally (being here illegally is a felony).

I didn't really mean to directly call you an idiot, sorry about that. After taking a look at your blog I think we would agree on most things. While I agree Mccain is a liberal, he is not as bad as Clinton and Obama. Obama flat out hates the free market, Mccain just likes to raise taxes. Mccain obviously has the best war policy out of the three, doesn't support gun control, etc. He has some conservative values, while Obama is the most socialist senator currently serving. To your edit: cheers

[jcrew]

I laugh at your statement the Republicans are facists. Is this because you feel it is alright to kill babies, and not allowing women to slay a fetus is 'oppresive'? Or is it because protecting the country against terrorists who want to kill every single one of us because we don't follow shariah(sp? who cares) law is a 'violation of our civil liberties'? Go watch keith olberman make an idiot out of himself.

you're really jumping at people. chill.

I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative. I think taxes shouldn't be as high as they are on the top income bracket. I plan to be in that (or an upper) bracket when I grow up and I don't want to have money forced out of me just to be wasted through stupid spending (hello george bush). That being said, I'm anything but selfish. I would LOVE to help out charities a lot, etc. ( I just read a book by John Wood who was an upper-exec at microsoft but he quit to start a great charity called room to read; it was quite inspiring). I like to help people, but I don't want it forced out of me. On the other hand, I hold mostly socially liberal views. I used to be Christian (the same way most people are when they're young because that's what their parents are) but I'm agnostic now after having developed my own thoughts. I'm extremely logical (always always searching for reasons, evidence, support) and rational and I'm one that needs tangible evidence. I don't agree with the bible at all and I think people who take everything in it literally are complete idiots; however, I think there are plenty of good moral lessons etc. that can be taken from it. If it's faith vs. science I'll go with science 100% of the time. I have respect for any and all religions (as long as it's not the freakazoid extremist kind). I'm pro-choice. Honestly this is something that can't be rationally argued either way. I think it comes down to a matter of whether you consider a couple week old thing alive or not (obviously I'm against abortion in the 2nd or 3rd trimesters). Calling pro-choice people baby-killers is immature and stupid. I don't think that cutting off something that "had the potential" to be a baby is significant enough to outweigh the chance of a miscarriage/birth defects, the highly likely chance that this baby will have a not-so-great life (let's face it.. most of those babies that are getting aborted are getting aborted for a reason. wrong time (teenage pregnancy), bad circumstances (can't afford) etc etc.), the times when it could save the mother's life, and the freedom of someone's right to choose. However, I agree with those of you that would say it does take some accountability out of people and I think if at all, people should be taking every precaution not to have to abort: condoms, birth control, day-after, etc. (oh don't get me started on those pharmacists that with-hold the day-after pill. how about they force that person to get pregnant and then cover all the medical expenses and pay for the child's well-being, their going to college, food, clothing, etc etc). To those calling out Obama, he's not an extremist left. You're just name-calling-happy. His healthcare plan is not completely mandated health care like hillary's; all it does is make it more available and cheaper. It would cost 50-65 billion vs. Hillary's 110 billion. (those are estimates from each respective candidate). He's consistent. He was against the war from the start. Face it, there's a reason why he's been beating Hillary in all the independent/conservative categories in pretty much every primary/caucus. He is the candidate of change, this is something that people want after 2 terms of that shithole and so he's capitalizing on it. That doesn't mean his platform says "I'm going to bring about change because my name is Barack Obama." He has all his specific policies and is willing to talk about them too. Talking from a broader prospective and emphasizing the theme of "change" works up more of a response and shines through in his speech-making. -end of that essay. whew

[immts007]

I laugh at your statement the Republicans are facists. Is this because you feel it is alright to kill babies, and not allowing women to slay a fetus is 'oppresive'? Or is it because protecting the country against terrorists who want to kill every single one of us because we don't follow shariah(sp? who cares) law is a 'violation of our civil liberties'? Go watch keith olberman make an idiot out of himself.

I laugh at your laughing at my statement. I also laugh at your misstating of my statement with regard to republicans and fascism. But mostly I laugh at your 6th grade grasp of politics, argument, and your lame attempt at a zinger employing keith olberman as your punchline.

Hahahahahahhahahah. As for babies,... nah. I prefer to kill puppies and kittens for fun.

[nykfan4life]

I laugh at your laughing at my statement. I also laugh at your misstating of my statement with regard to republicans and fascism. But mostly I laugh at your 6th grade grasp of politics, argument, and your lame attempt at a zinger employing keith olberman as your punchline.

Well then I guess we are all laughing. What I said about republicans was no misstatement, and I know what fascism is. You laugh at my '6th grade grasp of politics,' but then offer no counter argument, opting instead to insult me.

you're really jumping at people. chill.

I agree with you for the most part, that taxing the high income bracket will do nothing to help the economy(it will, however, run it into the ground). I respect your views, and am not personally a crazy-about-it pro-life person. I just think that one court decision should not be law. I also don't support an amendment to the constitution, either though. As for Obama, he is a left-wing extremist, and i'm not just calling him names. He is to the left of Hillary(although her health care plan is straight socialism, his is to a lesser extent) and his voting record supports that. Where are his specific strategies? I'm sure he has them, but all you ever hear from the man is the broad theme of change and hope. He is for change, he supports hope, he believes 'we can,' who doesn't support these things? He runs on a very broad campaign , which appeals to many, and claims to be able to be unite the country, but his views are very extreme. I can't see any real conservative(i.e. not Mccain) getting behind his crazy government programs.

[immts007]

After this, I'm not going to continue on in this thread. It was a bad idea to begin with.

What I said about republicans was no misstatement

To start with, you didn't say anything about republicans, but you claimed that I did. And what you claimed was misconstrued, either purposefully or mistakenly - I'm not sure which.

I said that I "could never vote for a Republican again until they remove all the religious extremism, bigotry, and fascism from the party." This != "all republicans are fascists" or even "republicans are fascists" it does imply that those things exist within the republican party, and it expresses a desire for their removal. Saying, "I wish they would remove all the steroid use from professional sports" doesn't mean "All professional athletes are using steroids".

and I know what fascism is.

Good. Then you know that one of the things it is characterized by is excessive and demagogic appeals to "patriotism". Using that to silence or villainize opposing points of view.

opting instead to insult me

I believe you went down that road first with your comments about killing babies and keith olberman 'zingers', but you're right - I shouldn't have joined in.

[nykfan4life]

After this, I'm not going to continue on in this thread. It was a bad idea to begin with.

agreed

To start with, you didn't say anything about republicans, but you claimed that I did. And what you claimed was misconstrued, either purposefully or mistakenly - I'm not sure which.

I interpreted that(facism, bigotry) to refer to the whole abortion, gay 'rights', etc debate.

Good. Then you know that one of the things it is characterized by is excessive and demagogic appeals to "patriotism". Using that to silence or villainize opposing points of view.

Patriotism alone doesn't suggest you are a fascist, you can be proud of your country without being a land craving, war mongering nationalist.[/quote]

I believe you went down that road first with your comments about killing babies and keith olberman 'zingers', but you're right - I shouldn't have joined in.

I apologize for my comments, some were a bit harsh I agree.

[g-funk13]

Jeez, thanks a lot guys. This thread was doing great back on page 4 with lots of positive comments that had boundaries.

I hope that your golf etiquette is better. IACAS please kill it!!

[lamebums]

This thread has gone downhill immediately after Godwin's Law (or a variant) was invoked.

Before anyone actually throw around the word "Fascist" as if it's the bogeyman or something, actually read the Doctrine of Fascism . The same goes with Hitler/Nazi/Stalin references.

Can we stick to golf? I have to deal with socialists and left-wing ideologues all day, every day, on campus. I come home and want to talk about something fun for a change.

[shortgame85]

When, in the process of public debate or discourse, people start calling those who disagree with them names, then they just denigrate the whole process and prevent real dialogue from taking place. When Rush Limbaugh ( and I only use him as an example; there are so many others on both the left and the right ) calls someone a "feminazi," he stops any semblance of debate cold; instead, he becomes an entertainer playing to his audience. Additionally, he insults anyone who has a clue of what the Nazi's accomplished during their reign of terror or worse, lived through it. Name calling is a form of attack and begs for an end to dialogue and, consequently, learning and, ultimately, growth.

Sadly, what has begun to take place in this thread is only a reflection of what often, but not always, goes for political debate in this country. Good manners and safe boundries provide a format for people to passionately discuss and share their views with the hope of learning from the process or, in one's more immodest imagination, enlightening others.

However, it is a free country, fortunately, and people are allowed to express themselves how they wish. I do wish we could make more of an effort to suppress our use of name calling and make more of an effort to put forward reasoned positions on isssues such as those touched upon in this thread.

[ganjagolfer]

why can't we all do bong hits and love each other?

[shortgame85]

why can't we all do bong hits and love each other?

This is, of course, not a bad idea, although that part about love does sound a bit radical. Yeah, maybe we shouldn't have too much of

that stuff; it might just ruin Ann Coulter's and Michelle Malkin's careers as comediennes. Or, perhaps, after a few hits off your bong, their vitrol won't seem so painful and, the fact that people think that the venom they spew is jounalism won't seem so injurous. Oh, what the heck, pass it on over!

[immts007]

This thread has gone downhill immediately after Godwin's Law (or a variant) was invoked.

You mean right around here?

A vote for McCain is the same as a vote for Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, or Pol Pot.

And actually I saw signs of it 'going downhill' much earlier:

I vote on principle. That means Republicans about half the time and Democrats...never.

He is a traitor to this country, an utter scumbag who should be shot for sedition because of his actions in the McCain-Kennedy bill, amnesty.

gays, hippies, feminazis, and generally everyone unpleasant and undesirable to be around with.

And I'm sorry, I don't think my observations about elements of fascism, bigotry and religious extremism in republican politics are unfair, or inappropriate given the context of this conversation.

I thought this thread was dead. But it somehow came back to life after a week of inactivity.