Steel or graphite, Rogue X irons

[Jbeebs1]

On 4/11/2018 at 9:10 PM, GrandStranded said:

If you're below a 16 or so, you'll probably be better off trying the G400's(way cheaper then 700's) or the regular Rogue irons before you buy.. Plenty of distance and forgiveness. If you're better then high single digits, go I series or Rogue Pro's maybe?

Just curious, what is your reasoning and explanation in regards to handicap having anything to do with the iron choice?

On 4/12/2018 at 11:17 AM, inthecup said:

I have a friend with pretty bad arthritis.  He is always seeking distance because he has to.  I think he hits a 7 iron 120 on a well struck shot.  He was fitted for the Rogue X and his "7" iron was going 135-138.

His set will be a 5 hybrid jumping to 7 iron on up.  The trackman data shows the dispersion was as good as his current 7 iron and the descent angle was higher.  With his old clubs he tended to land it short and let it release.  He has not received the clubs yet.

BUT it is a situation where if he wants to play from the same tees as everyone else he needs to find distance.  This club has a stronger loft, yes, its weight is far back giving the low loft height.  Does it spin less, sure.  He is not playing Augusta greens he will probably be OK.  The shaft is shorter than a club with classic loft and the head is big with lots of off center help.  The club is lighter to help with head speed.  So for him I think it makes sense that he try these clubs.  Would he be better hitting a longer shafted 5 iron in the same situation?  I don't think so.  This club was made for exactly his situation.  If you hit a 7 iron 150 or more this club is not designed for you.

I can still hit the ball a decent distance but I am glad there are clubs like this out there for the time that my distance falls off because of age.

Who decides or where do you get the information that “if you hit a 7 iron 150 or more this club is not designed for you”?

[Vinsk]

3 hours ago, Jbeebs1 said:

Who decides or where do you get the information that “if you hit a 7 iron 150 or more this club is not designed for you”?

It’s a general concept I believe with the technology. Good ball strikers are more interested in an iron’s ability to be worked and control the trajectory. SGI ( Super Game Improvement Iron’s ) are built more with getting the ball higher and more distance thus sacrificing ‘workability’ for better ball strikers. Have you ever read the Maltby Playability Factor?

Maltby Playability Factor - Ralph Maltby

 

[Jbeebs1]

10 hours ago, Vinsk said:

It’s a general concept I believe with the technology. Good ball strikers are more interested in an iron’s ability to be worked and control the trajectory. SGI ( Super Game Improvement Iron’s ) are built more with getting the ball higher and more distance thus sacrificing ‘workability’ for better ball strikers. Have you ever read the Maltby Playability Factor?

Maltby Playability Factor - Ralph Maltby

 

I haven’t, thank you. I’m going to look into it

[onthehunt526]

On 5/8/2019 at 7:00 PM, Jbeebs1 said:

Just curious, what is your reasoning and explanation in regards to handicap having anything to do with the iron choice?

Who decides or where do you get the information that “if you hit a 7 iron 150 or more this club is not designed for you”?

No one. I do think better players wouldn't want a lot to do with a "7-iron" that goes as far or further than their current 5-iron but has the same loft. 

There is definitely a segment of players that benefit from SGI irons. Hell I'm playing M6 irons right now. The ball goes too goddamn far, it's just not fair. I hit my M6 7-iron: 180 yards. My CBX 5-iron: 175 yards. The M6 has 1.5° more loft than my 5-iron and goes farther. 

I know for a fact I need a club between a blade and an SGI. Probably a players cavity like an AP2 or similar, JPX 919 Forged, CBX forged cavity from Exotics.

Rogue X isn't for me. I would play the Rogue though, or the Ping G400 for that matter.

[Jbeebs1]

3 hours ago, onthehunt526 said:

No one. I do think better players wouldn't want a lot to do with a "7-iron" that goes as far or further than their current 5-iron but has the same loft. 

There is definitely a segment of players that benefit from SGI irons. Hell I'm playing M6 irons right now. The ball goes too goddamn far, it's just not fair. I hit my M6 7-iron: 180 yards. My CBX 5-iron: 175 yards. The M6 has 1.5° more loft than my 5-iron and goes farther. 

I know for a fact I need a club between a blade and an SGI. Probably a players cavity like an AP2 or similar, JPX 919 Forged, CBX forged cavity from Exotics.

Rogue X isn't for me. I would play the Rogue though, or the Ping G400 for that matter.

I just gave up my Callaway Steelhead Pro X-16’s that I loved, however to change shafts from stiff to regular was going to cost $400. So I decided to get fit for Rogue X with Recoil 460 ES Graphite graphite shafts. My tendons in my lead forearm were becoming sore after 5 holes with the stiff shafts and few years into my 50’s thought that would be my best move. Jury is still out hoping that I didn’t make a mistake. Only been to the range a couple of times with them. Going to be difficult getting used to the different lofts. Hitting the 9 iron 150 plus yards and 7 iron on average of 175 with the Rogue X. I don’t know that it was the right decision or not. Need to play a few rounds to see. I had the X-16’s gapped perfectly. Just hope I don’t have buyers remorse!

[inthecup]

On 5/8/2019 at 7:00 PM, Jbeebs1 said:

Just curious, what is your reasoning and explanation in regards to handicap having anything to do with the iron choice?

Who decides or where do you get the information that “if you hit a 7 iron 150 or more this club is not designed for you”?

No one decides but you.  BUT the set gets very odd.  The gap between your gap wedge and pitching wedge is going to be a lot because the pitching wedge is very strong lofted.  The clubs are designed for all out distance so they are low loft and low spin.  The low spin portion of that will give you fliers.  Said more simply you will get a 20 yard variance depending on how it is stuck.

They designed for a certain person, someone who's distance is failing and they can't play from the Blues.  At my club in competition you are forced to play from the blues unless your handicap and age add up to a certain number.  My friend does not hit that criteria.  So instead of hitting driver hybrid he is hitting Driver 7 iron.  All design is a compromise.  In my opinion if you hit the ball more than 150 with a 7 iron the compromise of the design is not worth it.  I hit is 7 iron and it went 20-25 yards further than my 7 iron. Would I like that?  SURE but not if I understand the compromise it takes to get it.