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You're right. Close. Shoulders can be steeper:

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Head moved up toward the end of the DL swing, but it was good in the FO swing:

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TODAY’S SESSION 2-27-20

GOALS:

1. Steep shoulder turn in backswing (main goal)

2. Solid setup and better focus

3. So tired of fat shots, going to try to recenter in backswing.

SWING 7i 

SUMMARY:

P2ish

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In order to get shoulders steep enough today, I really felt like I had to do it with the takeaway. I guess “this is the way”

P4

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In my attempt to recenter, I felt like my right shoulder/ upper back really stretched toward the target from P3-P4.

I did hit less fat shots. Couldn't get face on video today.

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TODAY’S SESSION 2-28-20

GOALS:

1. Steep shoulder turn

2. Steady head in backswing.

6i DTL

6i FO

SUMMARY

1. It’s hard to stay tall and do a steep shoulder turn.

Feeling is crunch left side early P1-P2, stretch right side late P3-P4

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When I crunch left side, I feel like it kinks my neck (not painful) My eyes/head move from P1-P1.5 in FO Video. Dunno if that is bad or not- w/e. 

2. P4

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I think shoulder/ body tilts are good

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Wrist could have better structure, but not the worst.

What are good video apps so I can draw lines easier? the app I have isn’t good enough

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Yeah, that's something to look out for. It happens early.

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(edited)

Today’s Session 3-2-20

Goals:

-Steep shoulder turn while keeping head/ neck from twisting.

After doing some mapping at home, plan is to accomplish this by:

1. Stand taller at address, eyes centered on ball.

2. I felt like my head was drifting toward target during takeaway. So-keep head behind ball, turn shoulders “behind head”

3. At P4 it feels like I’m behind ball and I have room to move (my center) forward to not hit ball fat.

7i FO

7i DTL


SUMMARY: (did not go so well)

DTL

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I found that I was crunching my left side at takeaway - this got my shoulders going steep and kept my club head even with hands at P2- but also twisted my neck.

Once I stopped crunching my left side...I could not get my shoulders steep enough.

This was by far the steepest shoulder turn I could get while trying to keep head back. (Felt like I crunched left side at P2 on this one.)


FO

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The head/neck got off to a better start, but twisted back anyways.

I did like turning behind my head tho, really felt like I could move my center forward from the top.


For next time

1. I’m going to wear a hat and set up with the bill of hat square to ground. 

2. Find a feel to ensure steep shoulder turn. My hands and arms can’t be trusted, would much rather feel the steep turn with bigger / core muscles.

3. If I had to choose, I’d pick the steep shoulder turn and forget the neck (for now)

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TODAY’S SESSION 3-4-20

BACKSWING GOALS

  1. Steep shoulder turn without kinking or twisting my body during takeaway
  2. Keep left shoulder low and from rising up
  3. Use “extensor pressure” in right thumb/arm to keep right side wide

I accidentally deleted the FO video

6i DTL

P1

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I tried to set up with head square to ground. Grip has been getting stronger.

P2

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With all I was trying to do, head still twisted. I am left eye dominant, shoot guns and pool left handed. Maybe my left eye wants to look at ball? Dunno.

P3

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I think the shoulders are steep enough.

P4

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I think my shoulder/hip steepness is good here

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1 hour ago, Slim_Pivot said:

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With all I was trying to do, head still twisted. I am left eye dominant, shoot guns and pool left handed. Maybe my left eye wants to look at ball? Dunno.

You're being too picky. Everyone's head turns a little bit.

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I agree that the shoulder tilt is pretty good. I had you at about 31°, so if you want to bend forward 4° or so to get to 35°, that's okay too.

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5 minutes ago, iacas said:

You're being too picky. Everyone's head turns a little bit.

Ok. Good to know. One question...multiple choice lol

  • if I have head tilted “back at address”- then it moves many degrees to “that position”
  • if I have “hat square to ground” at address - it moves a little, but to “that position”
  1. should I just set up with “bill of hat square to ground”?
  2. or does this not matter for me right now since my head goes to the same spot by P2 no matter how my head is positioned at setup?
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3 minutes ago, Slim_Pivot said:

Ok. Good to know. One question...multiple choice lol

  • if I have head tilted “back at address”- then it moves many degrees to “that position”
  • if I have “hat square to ground” at address - it moves a little, but to “that position”
  1. should I just set up with “bill of hat square to ground”?
  2. or does this not matter for me right now since my head goes to the same spot by P2 no matter how my head is positioned at setup?

More #2 than whatever. Just make the neck inline with the rest of the spine.

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Stupid question:

Why not preturn the head at address to the position it wants to go at the top of backswing?

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6 hours ago, Tepi90 said:

Stupid question:

Why not preturn the head at address to the position it wants to go at the top of backswing?

Not stupid. I asked the same thing, more or less.

That’s scenario #1 in my confusing question above. “Bill of hat square to ground” is this: imagine I have a hat on.

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From this position, my head only moves a tad.


I would’ve simply done it. But in the pictures from my previous lesson (where I was put into a better setup position) my head was tilted back. Before I go against a lesson- I double check or try to.

Final note: the more I tilt my left eye toward the ground, the harder it is to see the ball. (Prob since my head is behind ball at setup)

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Today’s Session 3-10-20

GOALS

1. Steep shoulders in backswing.

  • Use extensor pressure in right arm/thumb
  • Keep left shoulder low

6i DTL


6i FO


Summary

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This was easy to accomplish today. All my swing videos looked about the same. Really good session.

Setup felt bad. Kept feeling crooked, also felt ‘tall and squatty’ and un-athletic. Couldn’t see anything wrong with it though. So I just kept swinging.

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Today’s session 3-14-20

Goals:

  1. My setup has felt bad lately. I noticed I had all my weight on my back foot at setup. So more weight on front foot at setup. This should let me move into my trail side.
  2. Steep shoulder turn
  3. Move my COM forward in transition (if I can mentally handle it)

 


SUMMARY:

P1

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Is this too much shoulder tilt at setup? If I can be more level, I can make my head more level.

P2

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Super unhappy about this. I knew if I started taking the club away with arms and hands this would happen. I need to remap and re-practice my takeaway again. 

P4

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My shoulders didn’t feel steep at all today, but seemed to be good every time I checked the videos.

That means the main goal of session was success.

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Today’s session 3-15-20

Goals:

  1. SETUP: have less shoulder tilt at setup without reverting back to “the bad forward lean setup”
  2. Better P2: take club away with steep, wide shoulder turn. Cannot kink neck either. (Less deep backswing I think)
  3. Have steep shoulder turn, without steep turn, nothing else matters for now.

DTL

FO


SUMMARY

P2

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This is at least in the acceptable range. Shoulder turn felt way wider than this.

P3 yesterday vs today

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i like the structure here “more in front”, a little better than yesterday

P4

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I think tilts are ok here.

Did not hit the ball so great today

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It's helpful if you actually measure the angles. And look at your spine - there's not much left side bend there.

Usually when your neck starts to look like that, you're compensating for the left shoulder being too high.

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Today’s Session 4-2-20

GOALS:

  1. Takeaway-get into trail hip, unweight lead foot
  2. Transition- leaning tower, move upper body forward
  3. Bow wrist and hit draws

7i FO

7i DTL


SUMMARY:

P1

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P2

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I got into my trail hip, good

P3.5-P4.5. The white line stays the same.

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Trying to do “leaning tower” stuff.

The upper body did go forward in transition, but the upper and lower body were never really “stacked.”


That was the end of what I was working on today, but I have 2 more pics that I’m happy with. So I’ll share!

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the club is bisecting my trail arm, I play my best golf from here. Also there is a nice triangle between my body and arms. Not bad

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Happy with my shoulder pitch after not hitting balls for a while. Club is also a tad across the line, which is good for me. I don’t want to be laid off (especially in this economy)

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I messaged you more details, but overall, GREAT!

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Today’s Session 4-3-20

GOALS:

  1. Takeaway: Get into trail hip
  2. Transition: Leaning tower, move upper body forward.
  3. Strike the ball well. Especially 6-4 iron.


SUMMARY:

P1-P2

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Got into my right hip, good.


P3.5-P4.5

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I did move my upper body forward in transition, but maybe not stacked enough. 

I didn’t put much focus or effort into this part. I tried to hit the ball well. I was trying to hit it in a shot zone with a draw over and over. 

Next session I will do more leaning tower.

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