Carl3

I can't recall ever seeing a 10 HI get more than one birdie in a round, but I know they exist. I would not say that this would be the typical 10 handicapper. Now the comparison was from the championship tees under tournament conditions not the 6,000-yard public course.

Lou Stagner evaluated with in a thread on X the other day. His conclusion with some math to back it up: A 10 handicap would have a 12% chance of beating Tiger on a single hole in a round at his prime under tournament conditions. I find it hard to believe, but Lou seems to know what he is talking about.

Like Chet, count me in for Saturday at Reserve Run. I won't be doing Sunday at Cranberry.

Played a quick nine as my first time out in 2025 and birdied the one hole that it took me all season to birdie last year. I think it was the last or penultimate one out of the 18 at my home course.

It seems like the title to this thread may have been edited. Super hilarious BTW.

I think hardspoon should be able to get us out at Oakmont, right?

I was hoping to see the data on all the shots. Not just carry and total distance, but all of the stuff you see on a simulator. It should be on the TV screen like you see relevant data for a football game. A couple of the approach shots they didn't even state the distance to the pin. I think that would probably be something they add as time goes on as they get feedback. I was surprised the camera didn't zoom in on wives and children, unless I missed it. I didn't watch the last 3 holes. I guess they weren't going for a family vibe. I will watch again, but with less anticipation. It was a Tuesday night and the weather sucks.

So when you are on the range with the Ping LS, all heads turn when you hit it?

I played in a scramble that got rained out. The day was forecast for rain and my 3 partners bailed. I went anyway as I took the day off and did not feel like going to work. Not sure how many groups showed up, but I was assured that I could hit all four shots if I wanted. Long story short: I played 13 holes and was nine under with a couple holes at the end where I was having trouble hanging on to the club due to the rain. If I hit a drive that I deemed acceptable I did not hit another. I probably only took 3 or 4 mulligan tee shots on par 4 and 5 holes. Approach shots I probably hit at least two sometimes 3. I don't recall missing a GIR. Once on the putting surface is where I shined with 4 attempts. I was amazed at how successful I was on these long putts when I had 4 balls sitting there and then hit them in quick succession. One would go high, then one a little low and then the third or fourth would often drop. I "won" the event and got some nice prizes. I was a bit embarrassed by it all.

I hope you can remember the name of the book and author. I need to read it as it sounds fascinating🤣

Chet, where were you located in the February 2023 videos. I am shopping some indoor venues. Where I was last year it was $250/mo., minimum 3 months.

Finally completed the challenge! took me a long time to get hole number 4, which is a short par 4 that gently curves about 60 yards left starting at about 200 yards out and then the fairway necks down to the green. I have sometimes taken a 3W off the tee because I can push my drive and it then would enter a wooded area about 230 yards out. I pulled driver and blasted a push into the woods and it rattled around and ended up in the fairway about 60 yards from a back center pin. Spun a 58* wedge to about 2 feet: There was a little break to it and the greens were recently aerated making a short putt a little more difficult.

I don't partake, but had to see if this was some sort of cannabis thread 🤣

I quit mid summer once after seeing a video of myself. I couldn't believe that I did that in public.🤣 The next Spring I was back at it. I am now a much better golfer than I was at the time. I can still shudder when seeing a video of myself, but it isn't quite as dreadful. I also can get bored come August every year, but find a second wind in the Fall when it is cooler, less crowded and I know that I will be soon stuck indoors and longing to play once again. Take a break.

A pro with a +6 handicap would have a +10 course handicap at yours as you described it. So on a good day he would shoot a 62, but more often than not something in the mid 6-'s. I would think that very rarely this pro would shoot over par on your course.

Thought this "wood" be a great place to post some pics of my grandad's set of Kenneth Smith 1, 3 and 5 woods. I love how his name and a serial number are located on the bottom: These were the best you could buy back then. Although my grandad played in the 1935 US Open, we was only 21 at the time. I would place these clubs as in the 1970's when he was nearing retirement from his corporate job.

The only data that I could find on tour pro came from something Lou Stagner did. Seemed like +8 was a good number to use for a highly ranked touring pro. Some on Twitter were adamant that TW might have been a +11 or +12 at his peak, which I thought seemed high. I would love to get better data.

I think that would be correct if it was an 8 HI. A plus 8 would be a 10 according to the USGA calculator:

Great video. He is an absolute beast. In response to the 15 year old OP, I think the top tour professionals are like +8 or +9, so the math should be straight forward. A typical "muni" in my experience tops out at low to mid 6k yardage range that would generate a course rating of a couple strokes below par. They might have slopes of no more that about 120. So a course handicap for a +8 would usually be +10 then. But considering we might shoot a few over our course handicap for an typical round I would expect the +8 to average mid 60's at a typical muni.

My understanding is that there are companies out there such as Caddiemaster that can run the caddie service for a club. So if your forecaddie is through such an organization, they may not be getting as much of that $100 as you think.

Or the adage that the club face is less lofted for a draw than a fade and it will "run" out farther

DoD contractors entertaining clients. 🤣There are some areas of the country that will never run dry of entertainment dollars.

When I think “tournament”, I think “competitive” and would think twice about taking requests for people playing together. Is everything being putted out and are they protecting the field? Plus it is good for people to get to know others.

I had a similar jump in scores between those two courses. Virtues had me on my heels "virtually" the whole round. The only flat places were the tee boxes. It has me rethinking where I am going to be playing next year. I need a more challenging layout. Edit: I played Northstar and Virtues. So you shot a differential close to your index at Virtues, which is great for that course.

Scott, I can play the middle tees at Virtues with you on Sunday.