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Jason Day is married to a US Citizen and lives in the US. One would assume he's either already a dual citizen or in the process of becoming a dual citizen. If/when he becomes a citizen playing in the president's cup would be a conflict but the Ryder Cup should be open game right?

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One would assume he's either already a dual citizen or in the process of becoming a dual citizen.

Why would one assume that?

If he did become a citizen, however, I suppose he could compete for the US, although I doubt he'd want to.

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Why would one assume that?

Let's say for the sake of argument, at least.

In any event, apparently the rule says you have to be a US citizen at the time of your 18th birthday. So you don't have to be US born, but you do have to be naturalized before 18.

Euro rules are weird too. Have to be a member of the European Tour, apparently, barring a waiver.

http://en.espn.co.uk/golf/sport/story/146498.html

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Why would one assume that? If he did become a citizen, however, I suppose he could compete for the US, although I doubt he'd want to.

Tax/travel reasons. He works here, lives here, wife and kids are here. Why wouldn't he? But it's a mute point if the rules are you have to become a citizen before your 18th birthday...


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Let's say for the sake of argument, at least.

In any event, apparently the rule says you have to be a US citizen at the time of your 18th birthday. So you don't have to be US born, but you do have to be naturalized before 18.

Euro rules are weird too. Have to be a member of the European Tour, apparently, barring a waiver.

http://en.espn.co.uk/golf/sport/story/146498.html

Tax/travel reasons. He works here, lives here, wife and kids are here. Why wouldn't he? But it's a mute point if the rules are you have to become a citizen before your 18th birthday...

Interesting.

A large number of guys we think of as being foreigners spend a lot of their time here and even live here (I think off the top of my head, Rory, Graeme, IJP, to name a couple) - how many of them become US citizens, I wonder?

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Rogin Member

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Probably half of the European side are naturalized US citizens for tax reasons (and the other half will be). It's because you guys don't pay any taxes, or have a social security system and look after the poor like we do in Europe. Most pro golfers, like most millionaires, seem to become Republicans as soon as they buy their first home.

The Ryder Cup isn't about that though. It's about where you "want" to represent. Rory McIlroy wants to represent Ireland (not GB) in Rio in 2016. I respect him for that. Would Jason Day want to represent the USA? I doubt it.


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Tax/travel reasons. He works here, lives here, wife and kids are here. Why wouldn't he? But it's a mute point if the rules are you have to become a citizen before your 18th birthday...


It's a moot point, not a "mute" point.

He wouldn't want to because he's a proud Australian.

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Probably half of the European side are naturalized US citizens for tax reasons (and the other half will be). It's because you guys don't pay any taxes, or have a social security system and look after the poor like we do in Europe. Most pro golfers, like most millionaires, seem to become Republicans as soon as they buy their first home.

The Ryder Cup isn't about that though. It's about where you "want" to represent. Rory McIlroy wants to represent Ireland (not GB) in Rio in 2016. I respect him for that. Would Jason Day want to represent the USA? I doubt it.

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Day's situation is totally different as are the rules for tennis, but aforementioned scenario happened but in tennis. Martina Navratilova played on the Federation Cup Czech team in the 70s, defected to the US, became a citizen and then played for the US side in the 80s and onward. In one of the Fed Cups, she played against her birth country and helped lead the US to get the W.

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Jason Day has no interest in playing for the U.S.A, I promise you.

In the race of life, always back self-interest. At least you know it's trying.

 

 


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Day's situation is totally different as are the rules for tennis, but aforementioned scenario happened but in tennis. Martina Navratilova played on the Federation Cup Czech team in the 70s, defected to the US, became a citizen and then played for the US side in the 80s and onward. In one of the Fed Cups, she played against her birth country and helped lead the US to get the W.

Brett Hull did the same in the Olympics one year, Canadian-born and played for Team USA. JDay is legal, let's get him on our team.

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Jason Day has no interest in playing for the U.S.A, I promise you.

Agreed, the scenario just got me thinking about tennis. That Day has played for Australia in the PC for what, the last 5 years? That's a pretty good indicator nothing's going to change on this front.

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Interesting.

A large number of guys we think of as being foreigners spend a lot of their time here and even live here (I think off the top of my head, Rory, Graeme, IJP, to name a couple) - how many of them become US citizens, I wonder?

The most famous one, recently, I am aware of is Feherty. Of course there are a number of Brits (mainly Scots?) that won majors in the early part of the century that became American citizens, Tommy Armour, Jock Hutchinson, Cyril Walker, Alex Smith etc


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Jason Day has no interest in playing for the U.S.A, I promise you.

I don't unstand how you can be so sure. The Olympics or the president's cup are one thing. But the Ryder Cup where he otherwise wouldn't even be eligible to play?


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Jason Day has no interest in playing for the U.S.A, I promise you.

I don't unstand how you can be so sure. The Olympics or the president's cup are one thing. But the Ryder Cup where he otherwise wouldn't even be eligible to play?

Because he said it himself. Putting myself in his shoes, if I grew up in Australia and learned how to play there and benefited from whatever programs, why would I play for the US?

If I did, I'd be able to play for the Ryder Cup team, but I'm not going to do that. If I played for the International team in the Presidents Cup, and came back and played as an American in the Ryder Cup, I'd get killed, I think. [Laughs]

http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/golf-magazine-interview-jason-day

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I don't unstand how you can be so sure. The Olympics or the president's cup are one thing. But the Ryder Cup where he otherwise wouldn't even be eligible to play?


Why would Jason Day, a proud Australian give a you know what about being eligible to play in a tournament that has nothing to do with him?

Yes, he lives in the U.S. Yes, his wife is American. So what?

You may as well ask why Tiger Woods doesn't want to play Presidents Cup for the non U.S. Team because of his maternal heritage. It is a stupid, pointless argument.

On a side not, which is unrelated to the (non) argument, you don't have to know much about Aussies to know that it wouldn't happen. Let's just say he's never ever dare stepping foot on Australian soil again.

For Rupert Murdoch to become a U.S. citizen to control media was bad enough, and he is vile to start with. For one of the nicest guys on tour to do it?.......Not happening.

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Why would Jason Day, a proud Australian give a you know what about being eligible to play in a tournament that has nothing to do with him?

Yes, he lives in the U.S. Yes, his wife is American. So what?

You may as well ask why Tiger Woods doesn't want to play Presidents Cup for the non U.S. Team because of his maternal heritage. It is a stupid, pointless argument.

On a side not, which is unrelated to the (non) argument, you don't have to know much about Aussies to know that it wouldn't happen. Let's just say he's never ever dare stepping foot on Australian soil again.

For Rupert Murdoch to become a U.S. citizen to control media was bad enough, and he is vile to start with. For one of the nicest guys on tour to do it?.......Not happening.

I agree, Day wouldn't even consider playing for the US team.  There are a lot of golfers that are from other countries that live in the US but that doesn't mean they don't remain loyal to their homeland where most of their family still is.

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