Video Equipment... etc.

**Big_M** · July 18, 2008

I just bought a Mini DV camcorder and I intend to put it to good use video taping my swing and trying to improve. Does anyone else (I know many do) use their own video equipment to analyze their swing...

if so...

1) what type camera and equipment do you have

2) do you use any special software, etc. to view the swing

3) has anyone tried something like this http://www.cswing.com/

Just for the record I bought a JVC Mini DV that was a basic type camcorder model GR-D850U... it has a sports setting and tomorrow I am going to go get a tripod and some other stuff. Just curious about what everyone else uses.

**wrx_junki** · July 18, 2008

I just use a digital camera on video mode which only gets me 30fps. That's not really optimal but better than nothing I guess. I use the V1 program to look at my swing.

**Maverick** · July 18, 2008

a few of us here have utilized Swing Academy

**Big_M** · July 22, 2008

for my 800th post... a little selfish BUMP!

**squaddie** · March 2, 2009

Figured I would post this question here instead of making a new thread.

What's a decent, cheap digital camera I can buy to record my golf swing at the moment of impact? I don't think I need a top of line 1000 fps type of camera, but something that will record fast enough so I can capture the frame at "the moment of truth" and determine if I'm leaving my club face open or not. Also could use the camera to check my overall body position at impact (shoulders, hips, etc.), or detect an outside to in swing.

**TheLauncher** · March 3, 2009

My wife bought an Aiptek A-HD for a very reasonable price (I think it was around $100) and it seems to do all I need it to do. If you look around online it gets some good reviews for the price range.

Edit: I don't know enough/care enough about the technnology to tell you if it's what yu are looking for or not, it's just something that has worked in my experience.

**Titleist Man** · March 3, 2009

Anyone know of a software for analyzing a swing?

**DaveLeeNC** · March 3, 2009

Figured I would post this question here instead of making a new thread. What's a decent, cheap digital camera I can buy to record my golf swing at the moment of impact? I don't think I need a top of line 1000 fps type of camera, but something that will record fast enough so I can capture the frame at "the moment of truth" and determine if I'm leaving my club face open or not. Also could use the camera to check my overall body position at impact (shoulders, hips, etc.), or detect an outside to in swing.

I use a typical low end mini-DV camcorder that records at 30 fps. If you want to be sure that you've got a frame at impact, then that definitely isn't enough.

I'd guess that you'll need at least 200 fps to get what you after after. dave

**Eeryck** · March 4, 2009

I would think that 60fps camera is more than enough to get the downswing and impact position. Fastest tour swings are like 1.3 seconds start to finish, slowest just about 2 seconds address to impact. If you swing takes twice as long back as it does down you are getting between 25-45 frames in the downswing and that should be sufficient to show an indication of club face.

However, if you want to know what the club face is doing it is a lot easier to look at your forearms at address then again at impact. If you are looking down the line at address you should only see your right forearm when the face is square, through impact if you are leaving the face open you will see part of your left forearm above your right forarm. No need to capture the actual club face on the ball. You can probably even see your forearm action at 30fps.

**DaveLeeNC** · March 4, 2009

I would think that 60fps camera is more than enough to get the downswing and impact position. Fastest tour swings are like 1.3 seconds start to finish, slowest just about 2 seconds address to impact. If you swing takes twice as long back as it does down you are getting between 25-45 frames in the downswing and that should be sufficient to show an indication of club face.

If the goal is as stated (to catch the actual impact position) then you really won't do that at 60 fps. For me even with a 3i the clubhead is 2-3' feet apart between frames around impact. More with a driver. See the attached pic of me (NOT a big hitter) swinging a 3i hybrid at 30 fps.

dave

**Eeryck** · March 4, 2009

Fair enough about the moment of impact and 30fps.

I will still stand behind the 60fps and shooting down the line looking at the forearms to tell you (not capturing the actual moment though) if the face is open. I don't have pictures to prove it but I have looked at my own swing in that fashion and had very good results.

I guess my point was more that capturing impact is going to tell you very little about why your swing is leaving the face open. In fact the only thing that getting the moment of truth on video will show you is that you are doing exactly what you think you are doing and your ball flight is already telling you.

While the problem of leaving the face open at impact is the correct problem to attempt to fix, I propose that there are other swing factors that you would need to fix to correct this, because these other things are more near the center of the rotating mass they are moving much slower than the clubhead and can be captured with a typical modern video camera that is not operating as a high speed camera.

When collecting data about a problem, as an engineer, I tend to attempt to collect what is most meaningful to solve the problem. Too often folks get to focused on the details and miss the forest for the trees.

Regards,
-E

**Zeph** · March 4, 2009

1: I use a Casio EX-F1 to record my swing at 300 FPS.
2: For drawing lines and analysing I use the free basic version of V1 Golf Academy . I might consider buying a version later. It's pretty easy to use, but you can't export the video with the free version.
3: Here's an example of a video I shot: http://thesandtrap.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21436

**VardonFlyer** · March 5, 2009

I just bought a Mini DV camcorder and I intend to put it to good use video taping my swing and trying to improve. Does anyone else (I know many do) use their own video equipment to analyze their swing...

in the winter i used a camera everyday, and made several adjustments. now that its time to play again (YESSSSS!!!!!!) ill put the camera away and just go score. I used just a typical digital camera and it worked fine.

**Jenks465** · March 5, 2009

I use my digital camera on video mode and then use media player to view it and play through it frame by frame. Works pretty well for me as i'm not too interested in the details just the big things; posture and alignment, takeaway, swing plane and balance.

**Lefty22** · March 5, 2009

Fair enough about the moment of impact and 30fps.

I took a Canon SD300 (this is a point and shoot still camera that happens to do video) which shoots in 60FPS (320x240 I think, does 640x480 at 30fps) on the Hulk roller coaster at Islands of Adventure and I was really blown away by the clarity in the paused frames.

I agree that the 60fps should be sufficient to determine swing issues that could cause the face to be left open. Honestly do you need to SEE the impact on video to know the face was left open? Does the ball-flight not give a pretty clear indication that the face was left open?

**Zeph** · March 5, 2009

Do you need a camera to tell you the face is open? Simple knowledge of how the clubface and swing plane works on the ball is more than enough to identify how your clubface was at impact. I use videos to look at my body, how the arms move etc. I can see the clubface at 300FPS, but not clearly, it's not what I'm looking for anyways.

Gives you feedback on every single shot instantly instead of stopping the camera and finding your last swing. It's not hard to learn either. A pretty basic part of golf that anyone wanting to improve should learn. I haven't taken much notice of it until recently when I started working seriously with my swing, also with a camera. It's very useful for both training and playing purposes. Ball goes straight to the left, outside to inside swing and shut clubface. Ball starts straight, but spins to the right, straight swing and open clubface.

**squaddie** · March 6, 2009

Do you need a camera to tell you the face is open? Simple knowledge of how the clubface and swing plane works on the ball is more than enough to identify how your clubface was at impact. I use videos to look at my body, how the arms move etc. I can see the clubface at 300FPS, but not clearly, it's not what I'm looking for anyways.

I agree with you, as the movement of the body and flight of the ball should give better clues to the position of the club face at impact rather than zooming in on the club face at impact. My problem has to do with my club face being open at impact, but not due to an over-the-top movement (more so a release issue). I also tend to fade with my wood and long hybrids, which I assume is also a release issue. It's been a difficult problem for me to correct, so I thought being able to tie in the club face at impact with the swing would help me focus on the cause of the problem. Now realize I would need two cameras for that type of analysis (one to view the over body movement, the other to zoom in on the club face at impact). I just found out my camera can record films, though only at 30 fps and 320*240 resolution. I'll experiment a bit and perhaps post up my videos later for analysis.

**beung** · March 6, 2009

Well, most cameras are only going to record at 30fps interlaced, because of the braodcasting standards of NTSC. There is software out there which will de-interlace the fields and give you 60fps. But the only real retail way to get more frames is to get a high speed camera like the Casios.

Just do a search on Youtube for some videos on the camera, here is a golf example shot on the Casio FH20 (not my video):

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