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Is there a bigger joke in the NFL than Albert Haynesworth right now?

Redskins: Haynesworth is 'selfish' ASHBURN, Va. (AP) -- On the day he signed his $100 million contract, Albert Haynesworth famously said: "You're not going to remember Albert Haynesworth as a bust." On Wednesday, the Washington Redskins used a more scathing word to describe the two-time All Pro defensive tackle: selfish. Haynesworth was a no-show at the Redskins mandatory minicamp Wednesday because he doesn't like the team's new defense, escalating a months long showdown with coach Mike Shanahan. Players responded with some of the harshest comments that can be directed at a teammate. "Albert made a very selfish decision," said linebacker London Fletcher, the team's most respected veteran. "When you decide to play a team sport, you have to look at it and think about everybody involved in the situation. This is not golf, tennis, things like that, where it's an all-about-you sport. What he's decided to do is make a decision based on all-about-him." Fletcher and others went further, painting a portrait of a player who has been self-centered since the day he joined the Redskins. "It's no different than his attitude and approach to last year's defense," Fletcher said, "about wanting everything to revolve around him and him making plays. And if it didn't benefit him, he wasn't really willing to do it." Meanwhile, Shanahan revealed that Haynesworth was given the option of freedom or money -- and chose money. The coach said he told Haynesworth in February that the Redskins would agree to release him and let him go to another team -- in exchange for not paying him a $21 million bonus due April 1. "Obviously, he took the check," Shanahan said, "so I was surprised he wasn't here today. ... Don't take our check and then say that, hey, you don't want to be part of our organization." The Redskins can fine Haynesworth up to $9,442 for missing the minicamp practice, hardly a dent in the money he's collected from the team for one season's worth of work. He been paid $32 million of the $41 million guaranteed in the seven-year, $100 million contract he signed as a free agent last year. Ironically, Haynesworth missed a practice that lasted all of 15 minutes, with the players stretching and running 10 100-yard dashes before a thunderstorm cut the session short. The two-day minicamp wraps up Thursday. Shanahan did not say what the Redskins will do next. They could release Haynesworth, try to trade him, look through the nooks and crannies of contract legalese to see if there's a way to get some of the bonus money back, or keep him on the roster and force another showdown when training camp opens July 29. "We'll make some decisions here shortly," the coach said. Having pocketed his money, Haynesworth simply wants out of Washington. He is unhappy that the Redskins are switching to a 3-4 defense and prefers a scheme that would allow him the type of freedom he had during his seven seasons with the Tennessee Titans. Hoping for a trade, he did not participate in the team's offseason conditioning program and skipped two voluntary minicamps. Haynesworth's agent, Chad Speck, did not immediately respond to requests for comment Wednesday. But Haynesworth's teammates were talking. And they made it clear that if he does show up for training camp, there will be fences to mend. Defensive end Phillip Daniels: "I think I speak for every guy on this team: We all feel like he turned his back on us." Center Casey Rabach: "It's getting to be selfish. He's hurting the team. It doesn't sit well with the players. ... You can't really count on him right now." Fletcher: "There's ways he cannot be a Redskin: Give the money back. We'll move on without him. I want teammates who I can depend on, who I can count on, who in the fourth quarter I know is going to be there to make a play or do his job that the defense calls (for). We need people that we can depend on. And at the end of the day, right now, he's showing that he can't be depended upon. ... Last year we had a lot of selfishness that took place, and we got 4-12 out of that. This year, we can't have that." Cornerback DeAngelo Hall, who spoke with Haynesworth for about an hour on the phone Tuesday night, was one of the few willing to publicly empathize with the disgruntled player, saying that "promises were made" about the way Haynesworth would be used when the contract was signed. Still, even Hall conceded that Haynesworth is all about Haynesworth. "We know Albert's going to do what he wants to do," Hall said, "whether it's going to benefit him, benefit the team, or if it's a stupid idea or a good idea, he's going to do what he's going to do. It's kind of hard to change his mind." Copyright 2010 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

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Is there a bigger joke in the NFL than Albert Haynesworth right now?

Sadly, no. There are so many positive things happening in sports right now. The World Cup is great, the NBA is going to have a 7th game tonight, the US Open starts today, the Hockey season is over so it won't be on ESPN until next year's playoffs...all these great and positive things. So what's the first thing I hear about when I turn on SportsCenter this morning? Albert Effin Haynesworth. Thank you London Fletcher for calling him out in public and to Coach Shannahan for doing the same. With the money he's being paid, he needs to shut up and play.

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Sadly, no. There are so many positive things happening in sports right now. The World Cup is great, the NBA is going to have a 7th game tonight, the US Open starts today, the Hockey season is over so it won't be on ESPN until next year's playoffs...all these great and positive things. So what's the first thing I hear about when I turn on SportsCenter this morning? Albert Effin Haynesworth. Thank you London Fletcher for calling him out in public and to Coach Shannahan for doing the same. With the money he's being paid, he needs to shut up and play.

Agree. He needs to shut up and play. Why should he care what position he plays?

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Sadly, no. There are so many positive things happening in sports right now. The World Cup is great, the NBA is going to have a 7th game tonight, the US Open starts today, the Hockey season is over so it won't be on ESPN until next year's playoffs...all these great and positive things. So what's the first thing I hear about when I turn on SportsCenter this morning? Albert Effin Haynesworth. Thank you London Fletcher for calling him out in public and to Coach Shannahan for doing the same. With the money he's being paid, he needs to shut up and play.

+1 on that. If you are paying me $100 mil I will play anywhere. I'd ride the bench, I'd be the trainer, I'd play every down, I'd punt, kickoff, anything. He should shut up, especially since he didn't have that great of a season last year, only 4 sacks in 12 games.

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+1 on that. If you are paying me $100 mil I will play anywhere. I'd ride the bench, I'd be the trainer, I'd play every down, I'd punt, kickoff, anything. He should shut up, especially since he didn't have that great of a season last year, only 4 sacks in 12 games.

Sacks don't tell the whole story, his disruptive presence in the middle let Andre Carter and Brian Orakpo get 10+ sacks each.

He obviously isn't worth the money he got, but that is Dan Snyder for you. I don't totally blame Haynesworth since he was signed by one regime but is now being forced into an unnatural position by another that he did not know would take over the team. Going from 4-3 defensive tackle to 3-4 nosetackle is a pretty big switch and will be harder on his body. Perhaps if he'd known the Skins would switch he wouldn't have signed. I am not a Haynesworth fan. He often dogs it on the field, he whines, and the head stomp was inexcusable. But it is not a black-and-white situation IMO.

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Sacks don't tell the whole story, his disruptive presence in the middle let Andre Carter and Brian Orakpo get 10+ sacks each.

When AH is on the field, he's a disruptive force but the bottom line is that he took the money and he should go to work an do what your boss tells you to do. Get in there, clog up the middle and allow the linebackers to attack. BTW, from your example, that's what me did last year! I was all for this signing and really hoped it would work out but right now, I'm pissed. If was wasn't going to show up, he shouldn't have taken the $21MILLION dollar check in April. I do totally blame AH....who cares if the coaching staff and defnese changed. Listen to what Shannahan had to say "if I put him at free safety, I expect him to be the best FS in the game".

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When AH is on the field, he's a disruptive force but the bottom line is that he took the money and he should go to work an do what your boss tells you to do. Get in there, clog up the middle and allow the linebackers to attack. BTW, from your example, that's what me did last year! I was all for this signing and really hoped it would work out but right now, I'm pissed. If was wasn't going to show up, he shouldn't have taken the $21MILLION dollar check in April. I do totally blame AH....who cares if the coaching staff and defnese changed. Listen to what Shannahan had to say "if I put him at free safety, I expect him to be the best FS in the game".

It doesn't surprise me to hear Shannahan say that, he proved in Denver he doesn't know anything about building a defense.

I am not condoning AH. He is the biggest (literally) prima donna in the NFL. It is one thing to be dissatisfied with the new defense. It is another to leave your teammates out there doing work while you don't do anything. I think he crossed a line and is being a selfish baby. But I understand being upset with the change. Have you ever been in a job where you were hired to do one thing but then after a time your responsibilities changed? I have, I didn't like it either. So I understand his point of view. He is just going about it the wrong way. What I don't agree with is the idea that a player should just shut up and do his job with the "yes sir whatever you say sir" mentality. That is not the way the NFL works. Players cannot show teams too much loyalty because teams do not show players loyalty. If a player wants a new deal and holds out everyone calls him a baby. If a team doesn't want to pay a player for the contract he signed and they force a renegotiation (or cut him outright) then it's just the NFL business. It's a double standard. In many cases I side with a player (since my opinion means so much to the NFL community!) because I understand that while they're getting paid a lot they are destroying their bodies. It's a choice they've made, and they have to live with it, so it makes sense that they'd want to get as much money as possible during this limited amount of time it is available.

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Um yeah, Dallas Cowboy Miles Austin dating Kim Kardashian....hang on, I'm just jealous

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What I don't agree with is the idea that a player should just shut up and do his job with the "yes sir whatever you say sir" mentality.

It's a JOB. You must own your own business because when the company you work for tells you to do something you have two options: Do it or quit. They aren't paying these players millions of dollars so these players can do whatever they want, they're paying them millions of dollars to do what they are told. You want to talk about double standards? Let's talk about these playings calling themselves and each other "warriors" or "soldiers" then pulling this crap. THAT is a double standard. I bet I could find twenty people on this forum that would give an arm for 100 million dollars and this guy won't play unselfishly. You give athletes way too much credit, they destroy their bodies, yes. But it's a JOB and there are construction workers out there who do much more damage to their body for (obviously) way less money.

I can side with the player when there is a legitimate argument (Chris Johnson not liking his contract, even though they've already redone his deal once, etc) but athletes don't have class and they're very selfish and it's pathetic you make excuses for them. So what if no one complains when players get cut. You're given a one-way contract but I know a lot of people who would love to be in the position to make that kind of money. And the guys that try hard usually last awhile (Bill Bates) Stop making excuses for him, can't wait til Andre Gurode gets to play two games against this fat slob, he stomped Andre's face because he was virtually non-existant against him.

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It's a JOB. You must own your own business because when the company you work for tells you to do something you have two options: Do it or quit. They aren't paying these players millions of dollars so these players can do whatever they want, they're paying them millions of dollars to do what they are told. You want to talk about double standards? Let's talk about these playings calling themselves and each other "warriors" or "soldiers" then pulling this crap. THAT is a double standard. I bet I could find twenty people on this forum that would give an arm for 100 million dollars and this guy won't play unselfishly. You give athletes way too much credit, they destroy their bodies, yes. But it's a JOB and there are construction workers out there who do much more damage to their body for (obviously) way less money.

You sound very emotional about this, do you hold it against athletes that they make so much money? Doesn't seem worth it to me, but you raise some interesting points.

You can't compare a job in the NFL to my job or your job the way you're trying to. It's not a direct comparison. There are thousands of people in the US who can do my job. There are thousands of people who can probably do your job, whatever that is. There are not thousands of people who can do what guys like Haynesworth do. At best, there are dozens. That is why people like you and me have resumes and apply for jobs, and billionaires seek out throw ridiculous amounts of money at guys like Haynesworth in an attempt to convince him to come play for this or that team. It's not the same thing. Pro sports is not the only situation like this. When a large company is trying to land a top executive, they'll bend over backwards to bring him/her in and make changes to make the person feel comfortable. If the situation changes, like a new board chairman, CEO, etc, the executive will often fight it (like Haynesworth is doing) or leave to get paid at a competing business (which Haynesworth can't do because he has a contract). At that level, you can do that because you are not easily replaced. If I remember correctly, AH tried the trade route early on and instead Washington paid him $21M and said publically he wouldn't have to play NT (which they appear to be going back on, which is stupid because AH is not a nose tackle). What was Haynesworth going to say? "No, don't give me $21M"? Would you? I understand not liking Haynesworth, but he is hardly the first athlete to do this and will not be the last. He is catching more flak for it because he is an unlikable diva. But I don't see the distinction you see between his situation and Chris Johnsons. CJ signed a contract, fair and square, like AH did. His "job situation" didn't even change like Haynesworth's did. He's on the same team, running behind the same line, same two guys handing off to him, etc. I'm not sure what this nonsense is about players being called warriors. That has nothing to do with anything that's being discussed, you're just freaking out. It doesn't matter if you could find 20 people who would give an arm or a leg or their firstborn to get $100M, and it doesn't matter if construction workers tax their bodies for less money. The NFL doesn't want any of them, because they wouldn't make it through one play in an NFL game. The guys who can have leverage. Not much, but some. If you actually read my post, you would know that I'm not making any excuses for AH specifically. In fact I did the opposite. I think he is out of line, but I also think the core of his complaint is legit. Should he go about it differently, sure. But, you said he was paid x amount of money to do what he is told, and that's really not how it works in pro sports. It's unrealistic and pretty naive.

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Ha! biggest joke what these guys get paid. watch a game of AFL and the athletes that play it, these are guys that should be getting big money. But most don't play for money, they do it because the love the game and give back to the game, something which is taught a grassroots level

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Ha! biggest joke what these guys get paid. watch a game of AFL and the athletes that play it, these are guys that should be getting big money. But most don't play for money, they do it because the love the game and give back to the game, something which is taught a grassroots level

So if they were offered millions to play, they would say no?

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So if they were offered millions to play, they would say no?

Just saying for what these guys actually do in the NFL, they are way overpaid.

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Just saying for what these guys actually do in the NFL, they are way overpaid.

I don't disagree, but they're paid not for what they do but because millions of people watch it on TV or at the stadium on Sundays and make themselves available for advertising. If footy had a similar following in Australia the players might make millions too.

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You sound very emotional about this, do you hold it against athletes that they make so much money?

Haha sorry if I sounded that way, being as I haven't adamently followed the thread like you have yourself, you can see I'm not nearly as interested. I just think it's silly to put these guys up on pedestals. A few good plays (or a few bad ones) is sometimes all that separates the greats from the goats. The same thing sometimes applies in getting to that level. I do agree they are incredible but they are very blessed to be given their physical abilities, and lucky to have gotten their opportunities (not discounting them, please don't misunderstand me) and I just don't like that they feel they can whine about things. If not for the owners and coaches, they wouldn't be there (vice versa I know) and it seems that's something no one can understand.

And I'm definitely not upset that they make so much money, I'm a proud Republican - I applaud success, not envy it.

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