Maintaining butt's position throughout downswing

**jl923** · November 15, 2010

I took a down the line video of myself where my butt moves towards the ball a few inches during the downswing. is this common? is this the cause for my pushes? any drills to work on this problem? i see how tiger squats down during his downswing and i wondered how i could add this to my swing.

**HAVOC** · November 15, 2010

need to post the vid so we can see

but it sounds like your squated down to far when at address and then standing up before you hit the ball

**mvmac** · November 15, 2010

I have a similar problem. Can cause the pushes and big over draws. Few drills you can do

**jl923** · November 16, 2010

what does the second drill do?

**mvmac** · November 16, 2010

what does the second drill do?

Same thing, just different feel, different visual. Second one works best for me. If the right knee stays straighter and the hips slide forward, then the butt won't come off the "wall". Just having the chair there, doesn't guarantee the forward part, for me. My impact positions are different in both clips, the hips are working differently, linear versus rotational.

**Open-Faced Club Sandwedge** · November 17, 2010

I took a down the line video of myself where my butt moves towards the ball a few inches during the downswing. is this common? is this the cause for my pushes? any drills to work on this problem? i see how tiger squats down during his downswing and i wondered how i could add this to my swing.

It is common. For me, it can cause a lot of shanks and fats. Also the occasional big pull if I turn my swing to the left in order to ge the club to come back to the ball.

I don't think I'd intentionally emulate Tiger's squat. Putting it in would build more compensations into your swing, which is not the direction an amateur (particularly high-handicap) should try to go. For me, it seems to have everything to do with how I have my weight distributed between my heels and toes. If my weight is on my toes at address, my hips move in toward the ball during the swing. If I feel like my weight is maybe 60-70% on my heels at address, then it doesn't happen. -Andrew

***iacas*** · November 17, 2010

I don't think I'd intentionally emulate Tiger's squat. Putting it in would build more compensations into your swing, which is not the direction an amateur (particularly high-handicap) should try to go.

Only if you overdo it. For some they may need to feel like they stick their butt through the wall on the downswing just to keep it on the wall.

saenar · February 6, 2014

Same thing, just different feel, different visual. Second one works best for me. If the right knee stays straighter and the hips slide forward, then the butt won't come off the "wall". Just having the chair there, doesn't guarantee the forward part, for me. My impact positions are different in both clips, the hips are working differently, linear versus rotational.

found this old thread my searching the forum. I have this exact problem with maintaining my butt.

MVMAC-the 2nd vdo post was missing from youtube but it might be what can help me.

I tried the chair drilled but I don't feel like my weight shifted forward correctly.

I want to try your (missing) 2nd drill but afraid of doing it wrong. " If the right knee stays straighter and the hips slide forward, then the butt won't come off the "wall"".

Anyone please help on this?

Thanks much everyone.

**mvmac** · February 6, 2014

found this old thread my searching the forum. I have this exact problem with maintaining my butt.

MVMAC-the 2nd vdo post was missing from youtube but it might be what can help me.

I tried the chair drilled but I don't feel like my weight shifted forward correctly.

I want to try your (missing) 2nd drill but afraid of doing it wrong. " If the right knee stays straighter and the hips slide forward, then the butt won't come off the "wall"".

Anyone please help on this?

Thanks much everyone.

Yeah I took that video down for some reason. Here's an updated version of it

saenar · February 6, 2014

Thanks much mvmac!!!! This is great.

**festivus** · February 7, 2014

Just FYI - it is common. Depending on the certification body, roughly 64-90% of amateurs tested (well over 10,000 cases) early extend which is essentially what you're talking about.

Mvmac's drills are great but you may want to also go back and re-capture some hip mobility (toe-touch, squat, etc.). In very broad terms this pattern is often the body unable to hold posture...most of the control happens at the spinal cord level meaning it's a reflex. Consciously changing it can be a chore that some folks just aren't in a good place to do physically.

**mvmac** · February 7, 2014

Just FYI - it is common. Depending on the certification body, roughly 64-90% of amateurs tested (well over 10,000 cases) early extend which is essentially what you're talking about.

Mvmac's drills are great but you may want to also go back and re-capture some hip mobility (toe-touch, squat, etc.). In very broad terms this pattern is often the body unable to hold posture...most of the control happens at the spinal cord level meaning it's a reflex. Consciously changing it can be a chore that some folks just aren't in a good place to do physically.

Yes and just to clarify, I strongly believe some early extension is a good thing. It's very rare to see a good player, including tour players, keep their heads on the "wall" for the entire downswing. Can actually take away from the dynamics. That video of me with the chair against my tailbone is almost 3 1/2 years old so I've "evolved" a little since then.

I think the knee/stick drill can be very useful for those players that excessively over flex that trail leg.

**saevel25** · February 7, 2014

Yes and just to clarify, I strongly believe some early extension is a good thing. It's very rare to see a good player, including tour players, keep their heads on the "wall" for the entire downswing. Can actually take away from the dynamics. That video of me with the chair against my tailbone is almost 3 1/2 years old so I've "evolved" a little since then.

I think the knee/stick drill can be very useful for those players that excessively over flex that trail leg.

I suffer from this. Sometimes I have to really force my left hip to go back and up. So the extension is there, I am just not getting the weight forward and allowing that left hip to go back as much as it should.

saenar · February 7, 2014

I suffer from this. Sometimes I have to really force my left hip to go back and up. So the extension is there, I am just not getting the weight forward and allowing that left hip to go back as much as it should.

When I really force myself to keep my butt, I did the same thing to force my left hip to go back in downswing. This lead to my weight got shifted to the heel on the downswing. Is this the right thing to do though?

Yes and just to clarify, I strongly believe some early extension is a good thing. It's very rare to see a good player, including tour players, keep their heads on the "wall" for the entire downswing. Can actually take away from the dynamics. That video of me with the chair against my tailbone is almost 3 1/2 years old so I've "evolved" a little since then.

I think the knee/stick drill can be very useful for those players that excessively over flex that trail leg.

When looking at my VDO, some how, my butt is off the wall BUT my head is down and forward!!!!!.

I hope this drill can solve both problems?

saenar · February 7, 2014

Just FYI - it is common. Depending on the certification body, roughly 64-90% of amateurs tested (well over 10,000 cases) early extend which is essentially what you're talking about.

Mvmac's drills are great but you may want to also go back and re-capture some hip mobility (toe-touch, squat, etc.). In very broad terms this pattern is often the body unable to hold posture...most of the control happens at the spinal cord level meaning it's a reflex. Consciously changing it can be a chore that some folks just aren't in a good place to do physically.

festivus...could you please briefly clarify more on hip mobility ...what is toe-touch...squat?

**sk golf** · February 7, 2014

"Sometimes" people "hump the giraffe" to shallow things out. So you "might" need to lay the club down on the down swing as you work on maintaining your inclination to the ground.

Taigolf · February 7, 2014

Mike, I would like to learn more about why some early extension is a good thing. Will that change the angle of inclination, but increase the speed (what is good on some early inclination)?

Thanks.

**sk golf** · February 7, 2014

Mike, I would like to learn more about why some early extension is a good thing. Will that change the angle of inclination, but increase the speed (what is good on some early inclination)?

Thanks.

Typically the parameters I am looking for are, no "early extension" prior to A5. That will change the your inclination to the ground, but in "moderation". Some early extension can show that the player is using the ground properly and a bit more dynamic motion.

@mvmac

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