My Swing (Emiller)

EMiller · June 24, 2015

[/LIST] [/COLOR] I've been Playing Golf for: almost a year now. My current handicap index or average score is:19.9 My typical ball flight is:fade The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is:slice https://www.gamegolf.com/player/EMiller Check out my stats above. I'll point out that im more accurate from the rough outside of 100 yards than the fairway. I've been playing a year but I took about a 5 month break for basketball season and then I was too busy to even get a round in this spring. So let me know what y'all think and follow me on Game golf! [rule] Videos: [VIDEO]https://youtu.be/gAwBKtsH0T0[/VIDEO]

**SavvySwede** · June 25, 2015

There doesn't to be enough data for your Game Golf stats to be relevant just yet. Though a lot of players who struggle with fat/thin shots find it easier to hit out of short rough. You should read this http://thesandtrap.com/t/54050/importance-of-camera-position-in-golf-swing-video-analysis and definitely include a face on view of your swing next time you film yourself.

Looking at your current video it appears you are very active with the hands at the bottom of your swing and your head dips down and pops up abruptly in the follow through. This video could help you out.

EMiller · June 25, 2015

There doesn't to be enough data for your Game Golf stats to be relevant just yet. Though a lot of players who struggle with fat/thin shots find it easier to hit out of short rough. You should read this [URL=http://thesandtrap.com/t/54050/importance-of-camera-position-in-golf-swing-video-analysis]http://thesandtrap.com/t/54050/importance-of-camera-position-in-golf-swing-video-analysis[/URL] and definitely include a face on view of your swing next time you film yourself. Looking at your current video it appears you are very active with the hands at the bottom of your swing and your head dips down and pops up abruptly in the follow through. This video could help you out.

Thanks for the reply! I hadn't noticed the head popping up in the video but I've found that's my struggle especially if it's a pitch or short shot. On the less active hands, I had been working on it during that video but I hadn't looked deep into it. Earlier today I read an article on rotary swing about the take away and I've been working on it with some slow swings. A question I had though after developing a different takeaway method is whether my left arm should ever come past the middle of my chest? Also if anyone has any recommendations to fix my strange finish I'm all ears!

**mvmac** · June 26, 2015

Welcome to the site. Yes, try to post a face on if you can. I'd like to see the arm swing shorten up, build some better structure, so you can fire the arms down at the ball faster on the downswing. Right now everything just collapses into and around your chest.

EMiller · June 26, 2015

[VIDEO]https://youtu.be/vjHr5ibXzLQ[/VIDEO] Here's an update from tonight. I only got a 7 iron filmed before the storms came in. Anyone have recommendations on filming besides having my girlfriend hold my phone?

EMiller · June 27, 2015

Welcome to the site. Yes, try to post a face on if you can. I'd like to see the arm swing shorten up, build some better structure, so you can fire the arms down at the ball faster on the downswing. [COLOR=181818]Right now everything just collapses into and around your chest.[/COLOR] [URL=http://thesandtrap.com/content/type/61/id/125902/] [/URL] [CONTENTEMBED=/t/62804/steady-head-drill-and-how-painting-mental-pictures-can-help-your-swing layout=inline][/CONTENTEMBED] [CONTENTEMBED=/t/35195/shorter-probably-better-swing-keep-the-right-arm-straight layout=inline][/CONTENTEMBED]

After reading the steady head drill and taking the recommendation to look at another players backswing I found this similarity

**mvmac** · June 27, 2015

After reading the steady head drill and taking the recommendation to look at another players backswing I found this similarity

Here's Rory from face on. Like I said earlier, the arm swing is too long, they collapse into your chest.

Two threads that you should look at. Cleaning up your grip will give you more "structure" at the top of the backswing. Turning the feet out will help keep the hips centered.

EMiller · June 27, 2015

Here's Rory from face on. Like I said earlier, the arm swing is too long, they collapse into your chest. Two threads that you should look at. Cleaning up your grip will give you more "structure" at the top of the backswing. Turning the feet out will help keep the hips centered. [CONTENTEMBED=/t/75436/how-to-grip-a-golf-club-commonalities-of-a-functional-golf-grip layout=inline][/CONTENTEMBED] [CONTENTEMBED=/t/78207/why-flaring-your-feet-at-address-makes-golf-easier layout=inline][/CONTENTEMBED]

Okay those were two huge break throughs. The first in my grip i had been using the short thumb and really losing control at the top a good portion of the time. So using the long thumb I no longer feel like I'm losing the club. Second, I was a big believer in Hogan's five lessons. However, after reading what you said I decided to look at hogan's actual swing And he's feet are in the duck walking position rather than his back foot perpendicular being and front foot turned out.

**mvmac** · June 27, 2015

Second, I was a big believer in Hogan's five lessons. However, after reading what you said I decided to look at hogan's actual swing

You're a smart dude @EMiller

Before anyone "calls you out" on the Hogan foot flare. He did have it more square with the mid-short irons but he didn't have a problem keeping his hips centered. If anything he had a little reverse hip slide (hips moving towards the target on the backswing).

EMiller · June 27, 2015

You're a smart dude @EMiller :beer: Before anyone "calls you out" on the Hogan foot flare. He did have it more square with the mid-short irons but he didn't have a problem keeping his hips centered. If anything he had a little reverse hip slide (hips moving towards the target on the backswing).

Thanks man! So to up date I went to a titlest demo today. Actually got some fitting for the first time ever. The old guy seemed to know what he was doing and told me i was casting on my downswing. So it brought to my mind that I hit it inconsistantly when I try to control my hands. Anyone have any reccomendations on drills to help this? As far as the fitting went the lie showed that I was better off at +2 degrees lie and an x-stiff instead of a regular.

**mvmac** · June 27, 2015

Thanks man!

So to up date I went to a titlest demo today. Actually got some fitting for the first time ever. The old guy seemed to know what he was doing and told me i was casting on my downswing. So it brought to my mind that I hit it inconsistantly when I try to control my hands. Anyone have any reccomendations on drills to help this?

As far as the fitting went the lie showed that I was better off at +2 degrees lie and an x-stiff instead of a regular.

Hope I'm not overloading you will too many threads

We like to say "lag happens", it's typically a result of good sequencing (reason I've recommended shortening your arm swing) and a good pivot (steady head on the backswing and weight forward at impact).

EMiller · June 27, 2015

Hope I'm not overloading you will too many threads ;-) We like to say "lag happens", it's typically a result of good sequencing (reason I've recommended shortening your arm swing) and a good pivot (steady head on the backswing and weight forward at impact). [CONTENTEMBED=/t/66573/how-to-effectively-create-lag-on-the-downswing layout=inline][/CONTENTEMBED] [CONTENTEMBED=/t/74723/introduction-to-the-5-simple-keys-5sk-learning-system layout=inline][/CONTENTEMBED]

No keep it up man! I've been snooping around this site for awhile. You're just cutting down my snooping time and increasing my reading. So thanks!

EMiller · June 28, 2015

So I've been reading over 5Sk and I have one major question. Which key do I start on or do I try to learn them all at once? I know I have #3 down because i take a divot in front of the ball thanks to the impact zone. That would also line me up perfect with my 20 handicap.

**SavvySwede** · June 28, 2015

So I've been reading over 5Sk and I have one major question. Which key do I start on or do I try to learn them all at once? I know I have #3 down because i take a divot in front of the ball thanks to the impact zone. That would also line me up perfect with my 20 handicap.

You want to focus on whichever Key you are most deficient. #1 in your case.

EMiller · June 28, 2015

As far as the fitting went the lie showed that I was better off at +2 degrees lie and an x-stiff instead of a regular.

Sorry should've been -2 degrees because I was hitting on the heal thus producing a fade.

**mvmac** · June 28, 2015

So I've been reading over 5Sk and I have one major question. Which key do I start on or do I try to learn them all at once? I know I have #3 down because i take a divot in front of the ball thanks to the impact zone. That would also line me up perfect with my 20 handicap.

The Key that's the priority, for you it's Key #1 (stuff I said earlier) and some #3 and 4 via the grip.

Key #3 still needs work, you're inline before impact. You can still take a divot without achieving #3.

***iacas*** · June 28, 2015

The Key that's the priority, for you it's Key #1 (stuff I said earlier) and some #3 and 4 via the grip.

To add to what @mvmac said, they're not in order. You define your own order by what you need to prioritize at the time.

5SK is not a single swing or a "method" swing (in golf the word "method" gets bastardized to mean "one way only"). Everyone will have a different swing in the end, but so long as you're working toward one of the Keys, your swing is improving.

Also, as a shortcut, Keys 1-3 tend to deal with contact, and Keys 4-5 deal with ball flight. If your bigger issue is with contact, look at 1, 2, or 3.

EMiller · June 29, 2015

Well in working on #4 and #5 my contact became poor. [VIDEO]https://youtu.be/cOYzPymYLY0[/VIDEO] Anyways any update. Sorry about the poor video on the 7 iron behind and no driver behind. I was still trying to fogire out my angles with my phone clipped to an alignment rod. I was hitting a lot of pushs now and I think I'm trying to swing too hard. Let me know what you all think.

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