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Howe faced nobody.

Goalies didn’t even wear masks the first 13 or 14 years he played.

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  On 5/27/2020 at 7:21 PM, billchao said:

Hockey is kind of interesting when discussing GOATs because it’s relatively simple to adjust points for era.

This post from Copper & Blue is relevant:

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Adjust the entirety of NHL history for era affects and some remarkable things appear.

Lemiux tops Gretzky in era adjusted PPG.

Bobby Orr is 5th, geez.

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Gretzky wins in basically every advanced metric. 

Gretzky had the same adjusted P/G playing 1487 games vs Lemieux's 915 games.   Gretzky played eight years longer and his production dropped dramatically his last seven years which is is going hurt his P/G. That stat (along with literally every other one) should settle the debate.

 

 


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  On 2/11/2023 at 9:26 PM, GolfSwami said:

Gretzky wins in basically every advanced metric. 

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No he doesn't. Not when you adjust for scoring. In the seasons where they overlapped, despite Lemieux playing on much weaker teams… Lemieux was much better.

  On 2/11/2023 at 9:26 PM, GolfSwami said:

Gretzky had the same adjusted P/G playing 1487 games vs Lemieux's 915 games.

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When scoring was significantly higher.

  On 2/11/2023 at 9:26 PM, GolfSwami said:

Gretzky played eight years longer and his production dropped dramatically his last seven years which is is going hurt his P/G. That stat (along with literally every other one) should settle the debate.

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EVERYONE's production dropped. Rules changes, goalies getting better, clutch-and-grab, etc.

Sorry, no, the debate is not settled.

I mean, c'mon man, you quoted a post with era-adjusted points per game. Lemieux tops Gretzky despite playing on significantly weaker teams on average.

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