Why aren't Vokeys forged?

[nykfan4life]

Is there a reason? has Bob Vokey got his own theories about forged vs cast? Or is it just to save money? For those who have forged wedges, can you tell a difference?


I am in the process of upgrading my clubs and have narrowed it down to Mizuno MP-T and Vokey Spin Milled. If people who have tried both can share thier experiences that would also help

[iacas]

Is there a reason? has Bob Vokey got his own theories about forged vs cast? Or is it just to save money? For those who have forged wedges, can you tell a difference?

Read:

http://www.titleist.com/customerserv...sp?faqid=14340 In other words, since nobody (including PGA Tour pros) can tell the difference, casting lets them get more accurate models to market faster than a forged process.

I am in the process of upgrading my clubs and have narrowed it down to Mizuno MP-T and Vokey Spin Milled. If people who have tried both can share thier experiences that would also help

You can't go wrong with either. The spin milled wedges will probably spin a bit more. Choose whichever best suits your aesthetic and bounce/loft requirements (for example, I like a 54/10, but the MP-T just has a 53/08).

[nykfan4life]

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Oh okay. Seems strange though. I would think you would be able to tell the difference in a wedge more than in an iron. Maybe because you usually don't make full swings.

You can't go wrong with either. The spin milled wedges will probably spin a bit more. Choose whichever best suits your aesthetic and bounce/loft requirements (for example, I like a 54/10, but the MP-T just has a 53/08).

Thanks. Did you find the C-grid sole to be helpful with open-faced shots? I also wanted to get 54/10, and noticed mizuno didn't offer, but I thought, since it is forged, I could get it belt to 54. But that would also decrease the bounce.... Thanks for the help

[La Costa Golfer]

I 'feel' there is a difference in forged vs cast. Just like all these people spending $300 on a Scotty milled putters made from a solid blank. (ps....Scotty is also a Titleist product...and clearly isn't where you make a full swing at the ball)

[La Costa Golfer]

Read:

Quoted from the web site... "Titleist Vokey Design wedges are cast from mild carbon steel. The properties of the steel alloy are close to the material we use in our Forged 600 Series irons. This means the feel and sound of Vokey wedges are very similar to forged irons"

So what they are attempting to do is make it feel like a forged club....the forged club being the standard.....

[MGP]

Quoted from the web site... "Titleist Vokey Design wedges are cast from mild carbon steel. The properties of the steel alloy are close to the material we use in our Forged 600 Series irons. This means the feel and sound of Vokey wedges are very similar to forged irons"

No, what they are saying is forged or cast... doesn't matter. It's the material the club is made of and it's shape/design that make a difference in feel. Every study I've seen on this (inlcuding with tour pros) and everything metallurgists I know tell me make me believe this is the truth.

[The Gill]

It kind of makes sense that the feel forged v. cast would be less apparent in a wedge since it's more of a glancing blow. The metal structure has to be different though. There’s a reason landing gear on airplanes is forged, not cast!

For what it’s worth, I like my Vokeys a lot more than my old Cleveland, Nike, or TM wedges. The Mizuno’s are sweet. When the Vokeys dull up, I’ll probably give Mizunos a run.

[hypergolf]

Maybe he might come out with "Limited Edition of Forged Spin Milled" and jack up the price by 500%... haha... I am sure there will still be buyers...

The buzz in Asia these days are "Fourteen" wedges which do go for $200+ per piece... I think Scratch wedges aren't too bad either...

They are really soft...

[Wormburner]

I currently play with the MP T and the Spin Milled in my bag and I can tell a big difference between the two. The Spin Milled in noticably heavier and as a result it feels more stable out of the sand or rough. But the Mizuno hands down feel much softer. The MP T feels just like my forged irons and the Titleist feels the hardest out of all the clubs I have owned. The combo works well for me, MP T is my gap wedge so it feels like i'm hitting my PW and I rarely hit my 60 degree with a full swing so the feel factor is not as big of a deal.

[iacas]

I 'feel' there is a difference in forged vs cast.

It's all in your head... just like it is with the Trion:Z people.

[La Costa Golfer]

No, what they are saying is forged or cast... doesn't matter. It's the material the club is made of and it's shape/design that make a difference in feel. Every study I've seen on this (inlcuding with tour pros) and everything metallurgists I know tell me make me believe this is the truth.

While I can agree that it states that casting Vokey's "is a more efficient process to handle the number of models and frequent adjustments and modifications it is the shape/design"...still there is something special about a forged club in terms of feel. But again...feel is a preference...just like how everyone have different wedge finishes.

Disclosure...I play Callaway forged wedges. I like the look of Clevelands...but I like how Roger Cleveland is over at Callaway Golf after selling his company.

[Jack_2251]

Vokeys feel really soft to me when hit well anyway. They feel a LOT like my 695 irons.

[iacas]

...still there is something special about a forged club in terms of feel.

And I believe you're deluding yourself... Bob Vokey probably knows a bit more about this than you, as do the hundreds of pro golfers who play with Vokey wedges. They aren't willing to sacrifice anything, particularly with their short game.

But hey, I've got some $0.25 bracelets I'll sell to you for $25. They'll make you feel better - I swear! They have magnets you see, and...

[rudygu]

I also wanted to get 54/10, and noticed mizuno didn't offer, but I thought, since it is forged, I could get it belt to 54. But that would also decrease the bounce....

Bending the Mizuno from 53 to 54 would increase the bounce, I believe. You would end up with 54/9

And I believe you're deluding yourself... Bob Vokey probably knows a bit more about this than you, as do the hundreds of pro golfers who play with Vokey wedges. They aren't willing to sacrifice anything, particularly with their short game.

Lol so true.

[Leek]

Is there a reason? has Bob Vokey got his own theories about forged vs cast? Or is it just to save money? For those who have forged wedges, can you tell a difference?

There is no "magic" in either the forging or casting process. Both are very viable ways to make clubheads. Forged irons tend to be made of softer steel. If someone made cast iron heads from very soft alloys (and I have no idea, someone might), they would feel pretty much the same.

Also, there are forged clubs made from harder steel alloys and they give that hard feel many associate with cast. It's really more about head design and what alloy is used than what shaping process.

[hypergolf]

Just digressing a bit but I tried the Titleist Forged iron today and the clickiness felt very similar to a cast iron... But somehow the Mizuno forging felt "softer"... Maybe it's in the head but just wanted to write what I noticed. Do different kind of forging make iron head feel different even coming from same material?

Edit: Tried Miura forged iron as well and it was again different feel compared to Mizuno and Titleist irons...

[YogiTKE]

And I believe you're deluding yourself... Bob Vokey probably knows a bit more about this than you, as do the hundreds of pro golfers who play with Vokey wedges. They aren't willing to sacrifice anything, particularly with their short game.

Say what you want about the Trion Z bracelets. If you believe in Eastern medicine, there is truth to the technology.

[erikpmort]

i'm enjoying reading this stuff