scotty camerons hype or the real deal

[LastPrankster]

Can you get your name put on it from the factory? Can you change the finish? Can you change the lie and weight? Can you call and talk to a person at the shop about what you want?

Actually, they are more expensive because all others are economically inferior. Is a Mercedes really $20,000 nicer than a loaded Honda Accord, or is it just the name? Is a SC really $160 dollars better than a Ping Anser, or is it just the name?

[ShotCaLLa]

I'm pretty sure I made a comment about how I agreed that they are finely crafted and things of beauty.

Did you even read what you wrote?

You said they were nice. You did not say that they were things of beauty or finely crafted. I believe one of my last paragraphs sums up why there are not many SC's on the LPGA of Champions tour. Not that they the members of these tours are not AWESOME, they have just tended to move quickly to the more forgiving technologies in golf. Do I think Cameron thinks that having LPGA players playing his putters would degrade his brand? You have got to be kidding me dude. No way do I think that he would turn down any professional player wanting to use his putter designs. How would that be degrading anyway, sir? Davis Love is a millionaire pods. Davis Love is a professional golfer. His son has probably been playing golf since he could breathe. Davis likes Camerons. So his son is going to like Camerons. I am pretty sure any reasonable person understands that a 12 year old is not financing the hobbies/collections that he shares with his father. Don't get mad at the kiddo if he said he is a collector. My grandfather gave me money for baseball cards and he let me say I was a collector. Who are you to say he is not? And your bullsh*% you said again about the father instilling a warped view of "brands" to his 11 year old birthday boy by giving him a putter that he will have for the rest of his life really makes me sick. I understand that being infatuated with "name brands" is a definite negative, but you are picking the wrong illustration in trying to demonstrate that point. If I remember correctly, you just said how they are finely crafted and things of beauty. I can't believe the father would be so irresponsible The kid will probably give it to his son when he grows up Sounds pretty warped to me. You blatantly continue to criticize those who admire the fine craftsmanship, and are passing it along to their kids. Pick your fight with the parents who buy their kids 200 dollar tennis shoes, not the dad giving his son a putter that is already priceless. That is my main arguement against your post. I don't care whether you like the putters or not.

[Lefty731PM]

[QUOTE=ShotCaLLa;134115]Did you even read what you wrote?

You said they were nice. You did not say that they were things of beauty or finely crafted.

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Originally Posted by LastPrankster
Although that does not take away from the fact that it is a nice product, and can have alternative value.

I wrote.................
Most definitely. Couldn't agree more. Nothing wrong with pride of ownership and owning things which are made properly. Some SC putters certainly are things of beauty.

[ShotCaLLa]

Actually, they are more expensive because all others are economically inferior. Is a Mercedes really $20,000 nicer than a loaded Honda Accord, or is it just the name? Is a SC really $160 dollars better than a Ping Anser, or is it just the name?

There are less SC's than there are Pings. There are less Mercedes than there are Hondas.

Does them make them better? No. But it does make them more rare, more unique, and more valuable. I also think that a company that is only focused on one thing - putters - Scotty Cameron - has a strong arguement for charging more. They specialize in making these things. So is it the name? yea I guess. quality usually has a stamp. I do love the Anser though!!!! Without it, SC would not have had anything to model his Newport after

[Lefty731PM]

You blatantly continue to criticize those who admire the fine craftsmanship, and are passing it along to their kids. Pick your fight with the parents who buy their kids 200 dollar tennis shoes, not the dad giving his son a putter that is already priceless.

I understand that some people get a bit sentimental.. The point is, not that the father gave the son a putter, but it was a Cameron putter. That was the context of the original story on The Cameron collector. I think it's great that a father gave his son a golf club.

As for Cameron not wanting certain players to use his putters, I read a story recently about him not recognising a player who had recently won on the Asian tour who picked up one of his putters. Cameron looked at him and said "No." A few days later, Cameron saw him, recognised him and said "Take any putter you like". The player said "No". and walked off. I would argue that the markup on a pair of $200 tennis shoes is similar percentage wise to that of an SC putter. Obviously I would not be trying to sell them a year later, though. I think the "circle T" and "for Tour Use only" stamps are about as crass a marketing tool as I can think of. Totally designed to enhance value and "rarity". Reminds me of tacky sporting goods with brand names like "All Pro" and "Pro Only"

[ShotCaLLa]

[QUOTE=Lefty731PM;134116]

Did you even read what you wrote?

Sorry, I missed that. I was kinda distracted by everything else you had written in your response. My bad

[Lefty731PM]

[QUOTE=ShotCaLLa;134121]

No worries, mate. I do understand you, and I agree that we should respect and celebrate people who do one thing and do it really well. I also respect a person's right to run a business in the most profitable way possible. MY argument is not with SC or his putters - it is more a frustration with the notion that a high profile consumer item has a perceived worth which makes some people feel excluded. It;s one thing to have a kid who thinks that Nikes are "better" than less advertised brands, but when adults think they're missing out because they don't have what a pro is GIVEN, it's a worry. I notice that sergio was using one on the weekend. Do you think the S E R G I O G A R C I A stamped on the back will enhance its value?

[ShotCaLLa]

I understand that some people get a bit sentimental.. The point is, not that the father gave the son a putter, but it was a Cameron putter. That was the context of the original story on The Cameron collector. I think it's great that a father gave his son a golf club.

I would like to read that story if you could find the link.

That is why I made the comparison to tennis shoes. the "tour use only" stuff is a marketing tool, and it does enhance value and rarity. I personally don't care to spend my hard earned money to have a "t" with a circle around it. yet unlike the tacky sporting goods you referenced, they are rare and given to the professionals, not sold at a sporting goods store. Its all about the money

[Lefty731PM]

I would like to read that story if you could find the link.

I'm trying to find the story. It's driving me nuts.

[ShotCaLLa]

[QUOTE=Lefty731PM;134122]

I notice that sergio was using one on the weekend. Do you think the S E R G I O G A R C I A stamped on the back will enhance its value?

That is funny!! No way. And I understand your point about exclusion. It is very valid, and unfortunate.

[Franco!]

Putting is very much a mental game.
So, if you think you can make the putts, you'll get a lot closer to the hole then if you didn't think you had a chance.

[iacas]

scotty camerons sre nice but are they worth the heavy price tag

This thread's come up about 30 times already. Please use search before starting it all over again.

Short, simple answer: if nobody thought they were worth it, they wouldn't sell any. What matters to you is whether they're worth it TO YOU.

[thedub]

This is the sort of attitude that explains the original question.

In regards to you Lefty, i DO want one SO BAD! regardless of what you say...i have an odyssey white hot XG1 which i bought 3 months ago for 130, and i can't even seel it for 50 bucks now. I want a putter that i will be proud of for years and years to come. I like the customization factor SC offers also. Maybe you should start a thread on Odyssey putters and i might, might, say something about mine....but please if you don't like them thats fine, but obviously tons of ppl do...it is all about preference, and i still want one or two or three SO BAD!!!

[YogiTKE]

Hype. Admit it everyone. They are purchased because they are "cool". It's like when kids want the best shoes for $130. Do they make you a better basketball player? No.
They look great, have great customization features, but are mass produced. Only the rare, handmade ones are truley the real deal. Other than that, many other manufacturers make a higher quality putter with better technology.

Note to Scotty lovers.....Don't attack me cause I have an opinion.

[iacas]

Other than that, many other manufacturers make a higher quality putter with better technology.

How about we attack you because you're wrong? Other manufacturers employ DIFFERENT technology (not better), and I don't think you'll find many people that will agree they're "better quality."

Case in point: the grips that ship with almost every other putter. After a year, they look like crap and are often falling apart (I've seen it myself several times). Yet Scotty's grips still look and play good, even on my old Red X.

[williethekid]

Are scotty cameron's the only putter 100% made in the USA? (I am going to exclude the headcovers and grips, shafts, etc.) I love watching him machine them on CNC lathes and Bridgeport presses (the machines my dad has in his company). I think that it would be good to compare SC's to porsche. If you buy a base 911 its one of the best bang for your buck sport cars in terms of real world driving and reliability, and it looks cool. The looks will never get old, they never change much that the old ones aren't still good looking. Kinda like the newport putters. They are well made, will last forever (anyone that wants to refute this look at JD power reliability leaders for cars and porsche just passed lexus for this year). However if you start customizing them or going for limited edition models and trims, they nail you. If you get the anniversary boxter they were charging $8000 for basically a sticker and a paint job. Same thing with SC. Best thing to do is either buy it, want it, or move on. No need for hating.

[YogiTKE]

How about we attack you because you're wrong? Other manufacturers employ DIFFERENT technology (not better), and I don't think you'll find many people that will agree they're "better quality."

My Odyssey grip is in like new condition. It's not falling apart at all. Previously, I had a Fuzzy Zoeller putter from K-Mart for 8+ years and the grip never fell apart on it.

So people buy Scotty putters because of their grip? Obviously not. So tell me that Scotty putters are not purchased for the high costs (other than collectible handmade models) because they are popular or "cool" looking. Why aren't more PGA pros using Scotty putters if they perform at a high quality? Cost is no object to them for their equipment. Once again these views are my opinion and somewhat fact-based.

[BASHERBAKER69]

There is no doubt that Scotty Cameron putters have a feel of quality about them- there is a lot of workmanship in them. However, i feel that some people buy them to improve their putting- it simply does not happen that way. Practice your putting and get good at it and then buy one. I hate to see a Scotty in the hands of a 25 handicapper!