Another rules question

[N.V.M.]

ok, today during a game, there was a bit of a ruling question after an incident. a player in our four had a ball in the bunker, right up front and right under the lip. awful lie, felt sorry for him. anyways, he makes his swing, ball comes straight up and hits the brim of his cap, and lands maybe two feet in front of him. ugly,yes, but out of the beach.

now, the ball never hit his body,only clothing(hat),if that makes any difference. did any kind of penalty occur?

none of us were sure, so he just carried on, but we'd like to know the official ruling. thanks.

[heyscuba]

I think that's a penalty,... but not sure of how it's handled,...

someone on here will give you a real good answer in about 2 minutes though,...

[Smallville]

My guess without looking at a rule book is that it is a two-stroke penalty and you replay the shot.

My reasoning is that if you hit your caddy (or, i suppose your golf bag or cart, i.e. equipment) and incur the above penalty, then hitting yourself (even if it's your cap, which would maybe be considered equipment?) would incur the same penalty.

Just my guess. Maybe the shot wouldn't have to be replayed, but I think the penalty strokes would be correct.

[chingali]

Rule 19. Ball in Motion Deflected or Stopped

19-2. By Player, Partner, Caddie or Equipment
If a player's ball is accidentally deflected or stopped by himself, his partner or either of their caddies or equipment, the player incurs a penalty of one stroke. The ball must be played as it lies, except when it comes to rest in or on the player's, his partner's or either of their caddies' clothes or equipment, in which case the ball must through the green or in a hazard be dropped, or on the putting green be placed, as near as possible to the spot directly under the place where the ball came to rest in or on the article, but not nearer the hole.

DEFINITIONS
Equipment
"Equipment" is anything used, worn or carried by the player or anything carried for the player by his partner or either of their caddies, except any ball he has played at the hole being played and any small object, such as a coin or a tee, when used to mark the position of a ball or the extent of an area in which a ball is to be dropped. Equipment includes a golf cart, whether or not motorized.

Penalty for Breach of Rule:
Match play - Loss of hole; Stroke play - Two strokes.

[Smallville]

Well there you go, thanks Chingali.

Was it ever a two stroke penalty?

[martin00015]

  Smallville said:

Well there you go, thanks Chingali.

Yes - until 31st December 2007.

[N.V.M.]

tyvm.....

[Smallville]

Well that makes me feel good I knew at least part of the rule from when I used to play (I took a 5 year break before this summer, so that rule was still in effect the last time I played! Woohoo!).

I need a new rule book, the one I carry is 2002!

[ganjagolfer]

i ignore stupid rules (and laws) and a penalty if the ball hits you is stupid

[joshtpa]

  ganjagolfer said:

i ignore stupid rules (and laws) and a penalty if the ball hits you is stupid

All I can say is WOW. Coming from the guy that was giving us UFO updates and world doom in the Grill Room.

[NM Golf]

  ganjagolfer said:

i ignore stupid rules (and laws) and a penalty if the ball hits you is stupid

Wow it must be nice having the luxury of deciding which rules you have to abide by and which are "stupid". Do you, yourself make that determination or is there a book that someone puts out called the real rules of golf and the stupid rules? I myself just play by all the rules as I must not be intelligent enough to differentiate.

On another note how do you determine your 10 handicap? Is that using just the smart rules?

[N.V.M.]

yeah, how does he have a handicap but doesn't play by the rules? good question. then again, i know this girl, she'll take 4 hacks to get out of a bunker, counts a "one".....

[joshtpa]

  NM Golf said:

Wow it must be nice having the luxury of deciding which rules you have to abide by and which are "stupid". Do you, yourself make that determination or is there a book that someone puts out called the real rules of golf and the stupid rules? I myself just play by all the rules as I must not be intelligent enough to differentiate.

I think the screen name says it all.

[Lefty731PM]

  ganjagolfer said:

i ignore stupid rules (and laws) and a penalty if the ball hits you is stupid

You must be a great guy to play golf with. Why is that a stupid rule?

Name another "stupid" rule. I'll bet that each of the rules which you call "stupid" are ones that mean your scores are increased and that people inconveniently call you a cheat if you don't agree with that rule. My guess is that when you're not smoking pot as your avatar proudly implies, you boast of scores that you wouldn't be within 30 of because of dumb things like the rules of golf. If there's one thing worse than a cheat it's an arrogant one. I'll bet you don't ignore "stupid" rules when they are there to give you assistance. Handicap of 10 my ar$e. You don't have a handicap, so why say that you do?

[Big_M]

  NM Golf said:

Wow it must be nice having the luxury of deciding which rules you have to abide by and which are "stupid". Do you, yourself make that determination or is there a book that someone puts out called the real rules of golf and the stupid rules? I myself just play by all the rules as I must not be intelligent enough to differentiate.

  The Birdieman said:

I think the screen name says it all.

  Lefty731PM said:

You must be a great guy to play golf with. Why is that a stupid rule?

wow... you guys are pretty harsh. I play by the rules, but to each their own, so long as they are having fun. My wife doesn't follow all the rules, and she likely doesn't know all of them. She does however have better etiquette than most people and is fun to play with. Maybe anyone who doesn't aollow all the rules should put an asterick* next to their handicap if they so choose to proclaim one.

[NM Golf]

  Big_M said:

Maybe anyone who doesn't aollow all the rules should put an asterick* next to their handicap if they so choose to proclaim one.

No if you don't follow the rules you cannot have a handicap. You cannot have a score without following the rules, you cannot have a handicap without having scores. Its actually pretty simple.

[ganjagolfer]

  NM Golf said:

Wow it must be nice having the luxury of deciding which rules you have to abide by and which are "stupid". Do you, yourself make that determination or is there a book that someone puts out called the real rules of golf and the stupid rules?

as i do not look to the gwbush to protect my inalienable rights guaranteed in the constitution, i do not look to the usga to preserve the sanctity of the game of golf, i do it myself

[joshtpa]

So if we get a liberal president you will play by the rules? Seems to make sense? It must be nice living in your world. Where you can blame the president for everything including your golf game.