What swing analysis software do you use, that was designed for swing analysis?

[timtim]

What swing analysis software do you use, that was designed for swing analysis?

I am not talking about some general video software that you use that was not designed for swing analysis, I am talking about the real deal. Split screen. Drawing tools.

What digital camera do you use to get the video onto the swing software, and what is its video resolution, and are you happy with it? Is it 640 at 30 fps. Is it 320 at 60 fps?

What software do you use to download video from youtube, and can you use video downloaded from youtube in your swing analysis software? Does it work? Do you need to edit the video first so that it works?

I would love to know. I am looking at JC Video Basic. The new upgrade will work with Windows Vista. And I am looking at the Canon SD* line of digital cameras that do video at 320 at 60 fps.

Let me know your experiences and thoughts.

Thanks,

Tim.

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http://www.leadbetterinteractive.com/html/sof.asp

I have a copy of this. I have'nt used it much as I gotta mess with the settings on my camera to see if I can get it to work since I dont own a camcorder.

[Uber$winG]

Swing Academy is a free online service where you can download and analyze your swing. As for cameras that are good for recording the swing, all I can recommend is that you search some threads as there has been some discussion concerning which ones to use.

[timtim]

I have searched for camera, cameras, video, and software in thread titles.

This is the one thread that I found that is helpful, and it is an excellent thread:

http://thesandtrap.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4028

And here I was thinking that my choice was 640 at 30 fps or 320 at 60 fps. Now I am looking at 60 fps and higher resolution.

I bought a ShuttlExpress on ebay to jog the movie back and forth frame by frame. My teacher uses one of those and he likes it.

[timtim]

This:

http://www.jcvideo.com/Software/Digi...7/Default.aspx

is the software I am thinking about getting.

[iacas]

  timtim said:

What swing analysis software do you use, that was designed for swing analysis?

V1 is free. Just get that:

http://www.v1golfacademy.com/v1home.asp .

  timtim said:

What digital camera do you use to get the video onto the swing software, and what is its video resolution, and are you happy with it? Is it 640 at 30 fps. Is it 320 at 60 fps?

My pro uses one of those Exilm cameras. Still camera but it can also do video at 300 FPS or something insane like that.

For my own purposes I just use a $150 Kodak Zi-6. 60 FPS at 720p is pretty great, especially for $150.

[whip_it_out]

I use V1 as well, even though to take full advantage of it, you have to pay. Still good software.

[timtim]

  iacas said:

For my own purposes I just use a $150 Kodak Zi-6. 60 FPS at 720p is pretty great, especially for $150.

Thank you so much. I saw your post on that other thread. I did not know that camera existed before reading your post. I will look into that.

My teacher uses that JC Video software. He told me that if I get that software, he can send me his JC Video files of my lessons, and I could send him my videos from my practice. I think because of this I should go down that path.

[timtim]

I just found this. Looks like the image quality and frames per second that I would be happy with.

[mm6840]

Hi,

JC video is better (for me) because supports 16:9 HighDef videos . I have V1 home and always converting AVCHD (sony high def) into DIVX AVI to analyze swing. Some quality is lost....

And definetly Casio EX cameras are top (quality/money)

cheers,
m

[timtim]

JC Video Basic is limited to 60 fps, so that is why I am looking for a 60 fps camera solution. The Canon SD* line of digital cameras is 60 fps, but the image quality is only 320 x 240.

But, just for fun, here is the Casio EX-F1 at 300 fps and around 1000 $$$:

[ScottL]

dont mean to hijack your thread, but I also have been thinking about getting some swing software and came across the V1 Pro. Seems nice for only $39.

I already have a camera. I have the Sony HDR-UX1. I know its HD 1080 video, but not sure about FPS, etc.. anyone know if this will work good?

[ScottL]

guess I just found the answer to my own question... amazing what you can find with google... lol

Smooth slow recording By increasing the record rate from 60 fields per second (fps) to 240 fps for 3 seconds allowing you to capture 3 seconds of fast motion and play the video back in 12 seconds. This is great for analyzing a golf swing or a viewing a bird in flight.

[timtim]

JC Video does not recommend Sony cameras with variable frame rate. I do not know why. It may be that even though Sony says that their cameras are good at recording for slow motion, they may not be good for recording video that you drag and drop into a split screen where you compare one swing to another.

[timtim]

Found this good video today that compares 300 and 60 fps:

[timtim]

Just an update on where I am.

I did buy the Kodak Zi-6 and kept it for one day. It is a wonderful video camera. Great resolution. 60 frames per second. And the screen is larger than its competition. But it did not have a wide enough angle lens for me to record myself from a close enough position.

So after lots of reading and searching, I ended up getting a used Canon SD800 camera on eBay. They do not make this camera anymore. This camera has a 2.5 inch lcd screen, does 320 by 240 at 60 fps limited to 60 seconds, and has the 35mm equivalent of a 28mm wide angle lens. I LOVE IT! The 2.5 inch screen is large enough that I can analyze my swing on the range, and the wide angle lens lets me put my tripod right behind or in front of me on the range. By the way, the newer Canon SD cameras no longer include 60 fps, so don't go down to your local store and get one thinking that it will.

Ok. Hold on to your hat. Everyone at work asked me why I bought a CAMERA to take VIDEO. My answer: 60 fps. They all said their video cameras can take 60 fps. I said no they can't, from what I have read, unless you spent like 1500 dollars or more for your video camera. Their inexpensive video cameras take 60p, or 60 progressive FIELDS per second. Not 60 FRAMES per second. 60p is really 30 frames per second. The new Casio EX-F1 camera that everyone is talking about being 300 or 1200 fps, only does that for a limited time and limited resolution, just like the Canon SD is limited to 60 seconds and 320 by 240. That new Casio camera takes 60p video, and 60 fps still images.

So. Sports mode. JC Video Golf Analysys software does not recommend cameras with sports mode. It appears that sports mode adds blur to motion to make the video smoother. I would think it would do this by slowing down the shutter speed. Maybe by slowing down the ISO. If you have ever tried to go frame by frame of an action dvd, you know that there is blur there that you don't see as you watch the movie. This is one of the reasons that digital video looks different than film video. Please note that there is confusion on this topic. I even saw a video of a guy saying that sports mode increases the ISO and so therefore shortens the shutter speed. But there are many other forum posts of people who use sports mode and then are disappointed that when they look at the individual stills from the video there is blur. This is not camera shake. And this is not what you want when you are analyzing each frame of the video.

I am using the V1 Home free software to look at my video on my computer. I had to install the DivX codec to be able to watch my .avi files. Ok software. It has lines, slo mo, and frame by frame. Does what I need. The upgraded software, for a cost, from V1 allows variable rate slo mo and two videos loaded at the same time. I don't need that. I think the JC Basic is better in that it has a tray at the bottom that allows you to keep a batch of videos right there to look at, and it lets you save your graphics. But it costs more.

One last topic. I have downloaded golf swing videos off youtube. I have used vixy.net because it lets me download youtube videos to .avi in one go. But the videos do not show up well in V1 Home. So I bring them into my video studio software (I use Sony Vegas), and edit and publish to .avi, and the video runs perfectly in V1 Home.

[timtim]

Here I am. This was reduced to 30 fps by Windows Movie Maker.

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  iacas said:

For my own purposes I just use a $150 Kodak Zi-6. 60 FPS at 720p is pretty great, especially for $150.

Amazon.com has refurbed ones for $99 (pink and black, free shipping.) Best Buy has new pink ones for $99 (plus shipping.)

Purchased two refurbs from Amazon as presents. Looked just like new. Both worked perfectly.