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I'd say Callaway. They don't seem to advertise much, and I just never see their products in stores. But I've heard that a couple pros like their stuff, although I don't think they're guys that you normally hear much about.


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I'd say Callaway. They don't seem to advertise much, and I just never see their products in stores. But I've heard that a couple pros like their stuff, although I don't think they're guys that you normally hear much about.

are you being serious? callaway is forsure not under rated.. idono where you are from.

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lol what? When people think of golf, they think of Callaway, Nike, Titleist, Taylormade...xD.....but for sure thoes companies, no doubt.

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I'd say Callaway. They don't seem to advertise much, and I just never see their products in stores. But I've heard that a couple pros like their stuff, although I don't think they're guys that you normally hear much about.

We have sarcasm in Canada too - 30 million people got your joke.

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macgregor and adams

adams just needs to shake that "this is the club your grandfather plays" thing they have going on.

macgregor, well, since norman quit playing them a few years back they havent had the marketing to stay afloat and sold patents to golfsmith. theyre still great irons, bought my brother in law a set of pro-cm's and theyre actually really nice. forged clubs for 400, that actually play great, yes please. shame they sold to golfsmith.

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Wilson Staff

I agree, WS, a genuinely class act. I have wondered if they are stronger in Europe.

(CDRush, I have a set of Titleist AC-108 as well, nearly mint, just not classy enough to play them.)

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I agree on Wilson Staff as well. Thats pretty decent equipment.
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+1 for Snake eyes, this coming from a snake eyes irons owner of course.

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Driver: HiBore XLS 10.5, Fujikara Red R Flex shaft, and Winn PCI grip
3w, 5w: HiBore XLS Fujikara Gold R Flexshaft, and Winn PCI grips
Irons: Viper HT heads, True Temper XL Lite shafts, and Winn PCI grips
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I agree on Wilson Staff as well. Thats pretty decent equipment.

Yeah the new irons look great!

You don't hear much about Wilson Staff though

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Hybrid burner tour launch 20* stiff flex.
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No one has mentioned Cleveland in this thread, but I have noticed several logos in the signatures of the posters. They are certainly not as hyped as Titleist, Calloway, Ping, TaylorMade, and the biggest marketing machine of them all...NIKE.

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No one has mentioned Cleveland in this thread, but I have noticed several logos in the signatures of the posters. They are certainly not as hyped as Titleist, Calloway, Ping, TaylorMade, and the biggest marketing machine of them all...NIKE.

Cleveland arn't underrated, most people know about them

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Driver - LV4 10* R flex
Wood - sam snead persimmon 2 wood (for windy days)
Hybrid burner tour launch 20* stiff flex.
Irons - Tour Mode 3i,4i stiffIrons - FP's 5-PW R-flexWedge - spin milled 54.14Wedge - spin milled 60.07Putter - Victoria Lowest round 2010: 79 (par 70)Latest rounds at...


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I don't think any of the OEM are under-rated. They all have large advertising budgets and tour players using their stuff. In my experience, I've found that Snake Eyes, Acer, Wishon, PowerPlay & Dynacraft all make good stuff, with little to no exposure. My Wishon 550C or Acer XK Pro irons are as good as my PING sets, at a fraction of the price.

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A few people I know fail to recognize Mizuno as a even a good (never mind top) make of clubs. So my vote goes with them also Wilson Staff Padraig Harrington wouldn't use them if they weren't good

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Hogan, they made some great blades, thought i think they might be now defunct.

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Driver: Titleist TSi3 | 15º 3-Wood: Ping G410 | 17º 2-Hybrid: Ping G410 | 19º 3-Iron: TaylorMade GAPR Lo |4-PW Irons: Nike VR Pro Combo | 54º SW, 60º LW: Titleist Vokey SM8 | Putter: Odyssey Toulon Las Vegas H7

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Perhaps also a couple Japanese companies that were fairly big a while back: Yonex and Maruman.

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As for most underrated.....I agree that it is Wilson Staff.....but that should change...there new clubs look sweet.....saw them at the PGA Show....

I also put a vote in for Powerbilt......they are really trying to make a comeback...even made the Hot List this year.

What about Nicklaus?...not one post has mentioned them.

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