Jump to content
IGNORED

Christians


James Hall
Note: This thread is 5189 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Recommended Posts

This simply is not true.

You are refering only to evangelicals. The chritian faith has many more sects than that. True...... It's mostly white and western. So billions of people around the world will be condemed to hell for not being a chistian. So you say!

Driver.... Nickent DX Evolver V2 65 stiff /07 Burner YS6+ stiff .
4 wood..... Nickent 4DX
Hybrids.....Tour Edge Geomax 22* 25* 28*
Irons.....TM R7 6-P + AW,SW,LW
Putter.....Odyssey White Hot XG 2 BallBag.......Callaway ORG 14 A.L.I.C.E. Ball........Bridgestone e6 / Srixon Soft Feel...

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Replies 217
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

You are refering only to evangelicals. The chritian faith has many more sects than that. True...... It's mostly white and western. So billions of people around the world will be condemed to hell for not being a chistian. So you say!

No the majority of Christianity falls under the label evangelical. If you want to add catholics into the mix go right ahead, its not going to change the numbers that much

The fact is the notion of Christianity as a white man religion is no longer true, but continue to believe that all you want and no one is being condemned for not being a christian, people are condemned because of their sin

In my bag

Driver - c3 bullet 10.5 degree
Woods- c3 bullet 5 wood
Hybrids- 3dx 3 and 4Irons- 3dx 5-pwWedges- Purespin golf tour series gw,sw,lwPutter- antiguaBall - :taylormade: Burner TP

Link to comment
Share on other sites


I discovered this thread via Erik's weblog.

Regarding the first question... Am I a Christian? If by Christian you mean a good practitioner of a religion called Christianity, then definitely not. I think that began falling apart a few years ago. I do want to humbly live out teachings of Jesus. I hope to be kind, generous, and unselfish. And I think those things are cultivated and encouraged by my faith. And yes, there are plenty of kind, generous, and unselfish agnostics and atheists.

I don't believe science and faith are incompatible. I don't agree with the common evangelical Christian notion that an individual has to be a young-earth creationist to walk in faith. Ultimately this has to do with my belief that there are a few essentials and a ton of gray. There's a lot we've got to learn in both faith and science.

Jeff

10.5° Callaway FT-iZ Tour

18°, 20°, 23° Adams Idea Pro Prototype Hybrid

4-9 Titleist 690.CB
48° Titleist Vokey Tour Nickel
54°, 58° Titleist Vokey Tour Oil Can

Scotty Cameron NP2, 33"

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I'm a Christian, and FWIW I'm embarrassed and saddened by the ignorance (of not just science but of certain aspects of Christianity itself) shown by some of the other Christians who have posted here.

There are many ways to come to Christianity. Blind acceptance is one of them, but that's not how it happened for me. While my interests lean more towards math/science, I have studied theology and have found logical, satisfying answers to the valid questions that have been posed ("How could a just God allow x, y, z", for example). I highly recommend C.S. Lewis' "Mere Christianity" if you're interested in what some of those answers are.

And btw, to correct the impression that has been given by some: The doctrine of inerrancy (literal interpretation of the bible) is *not* a basic tenet of Christianity.

Bill

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Shanks a million, a Christian believes that the Bible is the literal Word of God. You cannot be a Christian and not believe everything the Bible says.. it isn't possible. Christians believe that God's Word is perfect, and that God wrote the Bible. So to a Christian, the Bible is perfect and without error.

Glad to hear that the beliefs of your sect are the end-all be-all definition of Christianity. I'd always thought that "Christian" meant something more like "believing in Christ" and had assumed that the existence of hundreds of sects and subsects meant that there was more than one way to believe in him. Thanks for clarifying.

Choosing to follow Christ and believe in God is all about FAITH. It is not about facts. Like I said before.. NO ONE has all the answers. I don't care if the smartest man on the planet tells me that rocks make the universe a trillion years old.. I have my FAITH in my GOD and that is what I live by.

Ok, but some would say that you're disgracing God by refusing to use the powers of observation and rational thought that He empowered you with. Others would say that the evidence is put down as a challenge to test your faith. My point? Don't pretend your interpretation is the only one.

There are many ways to come to Christianity. Blind acceptance is one of them, but that's not how it happened for me. While my interests lean more towards math/science, I have studied theology and have found logical, satisfying answers to the valid questions that have been posed ("How could a just God allow x, y, z", for example). I highly recommend C.S. Lewis' "Mere Christianity" if you're interested in what some of those answers are.

Yep! Here's another interpretation! Welcome to the discussion.

In the bag:
FT-iQ 10° driver, FT 21° neutral 3H
T-Zoid Forged 15° 3W, MX-23 4-PW
Harmonized 52° GW, Tom Watson 56° SW, X-Forged Vintage 60° LW
White Hot XG #1 Putter, 33"

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Shanks a million, a Christian believes that the Bible is the literal Word of God. You cannot be a Christian and not believe everything the Bible says.. it isn't possible.

I'm interested in hearing what you thoughts towards Pope John Paul II are/were when he announced his opinions on evolution as factual. Would you then call him a non-Christian?

Grom Stand Bag
2009 Burner Driver 10.5*
2009 Burner Fairway Wood 15*
A7 3H, 4H 5-PW
Affinity 56* SW CG15 60* White Hot XG 330 Mallet Putter Z Star Yellow Balls

Link to comment
Share on other sites


No the majority of Christianity falls under the label evangelical. If you want to add catholics into the mix go right ahead, its not going to change the numbers that much

So you are saying you don't have to be a christain to go to heaven?

Driver.... Nickent DX Evolver V2 65 stiff /07 Burner YS6+ stiff .
4 wood..... Nickent 4DX
Hybrids.....Tour Edge Geomax 22* 25* 28*
Irons.....TM R7 6-P + AW,SW,LW
Putter.....Odyssey White Hot XG 2 BallBag.......Callaway ORG 14 A.L.I.C.E. Ball........Bridgestone e6 / Srixon Soft Feel...

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Butch Harmon, nothing you have said in this forum is worthwhile. All you are doing is trying to persecute Christians and make fun of them. How does your statement asking me to go buy a dinosaur at the zoo have any credibility at all in this discussion?

The problem is that too many religious people confuse blind faith with absolute truth. By definition, if you have faith in something it's impossible for you to believe it to be 100% true; otherwise it'd be a fact or at least something that was generally accepted as an absolute truth. If you have to have faith in something to believe it, it means there are gaps in the factual justification but that you believe it anyway because you trust it to be true. That does NOT mean you are wrong for believing it. It just means that you have to understand that you are the one making assumptions and cannot act as if your idea is infallible.

As long as someone of faith understand this and accepts that by having faith they are directly saying they aren't sure but trust it anyway, there really isnt' anything wrong. As soon as that person believes that they are 100% right and all other ideas that conflict are inherently inccorect, they no longer have faith.
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Butch Harmon, nothing you have said in this forum is worthwhile.

You seem to be confusing "doesn't agree with you" with "worthwhile."

How does your statement asking me to go buy a dinosaur at the zoo have any credibility at all in this discussion?

It's in regards to the comments about a dinosaur existing in the Bible. It does not. Never mentions 'em.

You cannot be a Christian and not believe everything the Bible says.. it isn't possible.

Now that, I know, is bullshit. The majority of the world's Christians don't believe everything the Bible says. They realize it's a book of stories. Look up the definition of the word "Christian."

Christians believe that God's Word is perfect, and that God wrote the Bible.

God didn't write the Bible. Heck, we know who wrote several of the hundreds of editions of the Bible that exist. Heck, King Henry wrote the first English version of the Bible. If God wrote the Bible, what language did he use?

"And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book. And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy, God will remove that person's share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book." -- Revelation 22:18-19. The Bible wouldn't state that right at the end if by chance the Bible was wrong.

What kind of logic is that? The Bible wouldn't state that if the Bible was wrong?

OK. I'm not actually a human, I'm actually God, right here, posting on the forum. If anyone edits what I've written he'll die immediately.
It is not about facts. Like I said before.. NO ONE has all the answers.

Of course nobody does. But many people have awfully good answers that directly conflict with the Bible and some of the things others have said in this thread.

Good post Brugz!

Go play golf, jots.

It's mostly white and western. So billions of people around the world will be condemed to hell for not being a chistian. So you say!

Yep.

Here's a question for the over-the-top Christians out there: why is Jesus always shown as a white dude? You do realize he would have been basically black or very dark skinned if he existed at all, right?
I'm a Christian, and FWIW I'm embarrassed and saddened by the ignorance (of not just science but of certain aspects of Christianity itself) shown by some of the other Christians who have posted here. The doctrine of inerrancy (literal interpretation of the bible) is *not* a basic tenet of Christianity.

Thanks. You seem like a reasonable guy.

I don't have a problem with Christianity or Christians. Many are good friends of mine. I have a problem with what I see as stupidity. sacm, you don't seem thus afflicted, nor are my friends. Congratulations.

"The expert golfer has maximum time to make minimal compensations. The poorer player has minimal time to make maximum compensations." - And no, I'm not Mac. Please do not PM me about it. I just think he is a crazy MFer and we could all use a little more crazy sometimes.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

So you are saying you don't have to be a christain to go to heaven?

I could care less about labels. However to your premise there is a big difference between what causes one to go to heaven and by what one is condemned. We all start condemned because of OUR(not because of anything God did) sin, no matter what you believe frees you of that condemnatiion it doesn't change that God didn't condemn you, but you condemned yourself with your actions( unless of course you are the first perfect person to live)

In my bag

Driver - c3 bullet 10.5 degree
Woods- c3 bullet 5 wood
Hybrids- 3dx 3 and 4Irons- 3dx 5-pwWedges- Purespin golf tour series gw,sw,lwPutter- antiguaBall - :taylormade: Burner TP

Link to comment
Share on other sites


The notion that Christianity is a "white" religion is false as I have already talked about in this thread. Over the last 15 years Christianity has shifted from being a western religion and the shift is still place in which eventually westerners will be the minority in Christianity.

As for why Jesus is always shown as white, because there are a lot of uneducated people in the world.

In my bag

Driver - c3 bullet 10.5 degree
Woods- c3 bullet 5 wood
Hybrids- 3dx 3 and 4Irons- 3dx 5-pwWedges- Purespin golf tour series gw,sw,lwPutter- antiguaBall - :taylormade: Burner TP

Link to comment
Share on other sites


I could care less about labels.

You are dancing around the question. I ask a simple question and you are complicating it with double talk.

And the cristian religion is a white western religion. It was mainsteamed by the 5th century Romans then spread throughout Europe and to the new world. It will always be a white western religion just as islam will always be a middleastern religion no matter where you live.

Driver.... Nickent DX Evolver V2 65 stiff /07 Burner YS6+ stiff .
4 wood..... Nickent 4DX
Hybrids.....Tour Edge Geomax 22* 25* 28*
Irons.....TM R7 6-P + AW,SW,LW
Putter.....Odyssey White Hot XG 2 BallBag.......Callaway ORG 14 A.L.I.C.E. Ball........Bridgestone e6 / Srixon Soft Feel...

Link to comment
Share on other sites


What is believing? There are so many people that say they believe in Jesus. The way I see it, how can you believe in Jesus and not listen to what He commands? Sure, you can believe that he was a man that lived on the earth, but that doesn't mean you believe he died and was risen from the dead. My point is that when you truly believe Jesus died for you so that you would be forgiven and have eternal life.. there is no possible way you will go on living your life for the things of this world or not trying to obey everything He says. Jesus said no one comes to the Father except through Him. If that is true, then I'm going to live my life honoring and obeying hiim because I want to get to my Father, God.

You can call me radical, extreme, or whatever you want. You can tell me my interpretation isn't the only one. I don't believe God put me on this earth to question Him . I use my "powers of observation and rational thought" every single day. I look at my family and rationally think that there is no way that God doesn't exist. I rationally think about the ways my life has changed in the past couple months and realize God is with me and all these things aren't by chance.

How can I possibly be disgracing God by obeying Him?
Driver -- 909 D2 9.5º - Diamana Blueboard 65
3 Wood -- Burner 15º - REAX Superfast 50 - (re-shafting)
Hybrid -- Rescue TP w/ FCT 19º - Aldila VooDoo SVS8
Irons -- RAC MB TP 3-PW - DG S300
Wedges -- Vokey Spin Milled 52º, MP-T 10 Raw Black Satin 60ºPutter -- Studio Select Newport 2...
Link to comment
Share on other sites


You are dancing around the question. I ask a simple question and you are complicating it with double talk.

your question had nothing to do with your original post.

You originally stated that God condemns billions of people to hell because they are not Christians. I maintain the point God condemns no one to hell, people's actions condemn them to hell. That has nothing to do with how one goes to heaven, it has everything to do with how one is condemned to hell You don't seem to understand that there are 2 seperate discussion at play here that are exclusive from one another

In my bag

Driver - c3 bullet 10.5 degree
Woods- c3 bullet 5 wood
Hybrids- 3dx 3 and 4Irons- 3dx 5-pwWedges- Purespin golf tour series gw,sw,lwPutter- antiguaBall - :taylormade: Burner TP

Link to comment
Share on other sites


You can call me radical, extreme, or whatever you want. You can tell me my interpretation isn't the only one.

The problem is that you aren't using "rational thought" seeing as (and I am assuming here a bit) that you are going about your "questioning" in the wrong way.

At least from a scientific standpoint, you have to enter into an experiment/analysis/question/study/etc with absolutely no preconcieved ideas of what the outcome is. You don't test the possible solution with the experiment; you conduct the experiment, interpret the result, THEN come to a conclusion. The problem most people have with almost all the support for most major religions is that the "proof" doesn't objectively allow other explanations and only looks into just the possibility of the religous justification. It's like going into an experiment and already having your conclusion written without doing the experiment, conducting the experiment, and then trying to use the reuslt to prove the conclusion you already had.
Link to comment
Share on other sites


your question had nothing to do with your original post.

You both are saying the exact same thing. I say pro-choice, you say pro-abortion. I say estate tax, you say death tax. I say pedophilia, you say NAMBLA. It's all in the semantics.
Link to comment
Share on other sites


well, if he was actually a man, then denying he was a man would mean that person is literally insane. i, for one, do not believe he existed. a man who raised the dead, made blind people see, cured leprosy, made thousands of fish appear out of nowhere, went around washing people's feet, for whom the sun was eclipsed at his crucifixion, and who rose days later never to be found. and there's only one piece of literature that can be found about the guy, so it's hardly proof of anything? and it's not even that much, really. the first gospel was penned 40 years after he allegedly died, and in turkey. so there is no first hand testimony of any of his exploits. there really is no good reason to think he did exist.

Maybe one day, you will be saved. Until then, good luck to you. That's all I'm going to say about that. That's all I need to say.

TM R11/Titleist 910F 15*/ Nike SQ2 20* & 23*/ Nike CCi 5-PW/ Nike SV 52* & 56*/ SC Newport 2 Studio Style 32.5"
Nike 20XIx/Pro V1x

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Butch Harmon, those people who call themselves Christians are most likely hypocrites.
Driver -- 909 D2 9.5º - Diamana Blueboard 65
3 Wood -- Burner 15º - REAX Superfast 50 - (re-shafting)
Hybrid -- Rescue TP w/ FCT 19º - Aldila VooDoo SVS8
Irons -- RAC MB TP 3-PW - DG S300
Wedges -- Vokey Spin Milled 52º, MP-T 10 Raw Black Satin 60ºPutter -- Studio Select Newport 2...
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Note: This thread is 5189 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    TourStriker PlaneMate
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-15%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope.
  • Posts

    • I had to think about this topic for a while. I don't tend to remember specific details about my putts, but a few do stand out in my mind so I guess they're worth noting. I don't know that I'd call them my favorite but it's close enough. #18 at Spooky Brook Might be the hardest 4' putt I've ever had. Pin was back right and I hit my third shot just to the right of it. The green slopes fairly severely back to front. I read the green but I knew the putt anyway as I've seen it before. I told the guys I was playing with that the putt was it was going to break almost 3' and if it doesn't go in I'd have a longer coming back up for par than I was looking at. It went in. #12 at Quail Brook I'm not even sure how to describe this green properly. It's not quite a two-tiered green, but the back and front are separated by a ridge that goes across the middle of it, with the green sloping harder off the front than the back. You can generally putt from the front to a back hole location but good luck keeping the ball on the green if you putt from back to front. On this particular day, I was looking at the latter. I had to putt up into the apron due to how the ball was going to break and that helped slow the ball down enough to hit the hole at the perfect speed. One of the rare birdies I've seen on that hole. #2 at Hyatt Hills Short par 5. This makes the list because it's the first eagle putt I've ever made, which funny enough happened the day after the first eagle I've ever made. I've made two eagles in all my life and they came on back to back days. I wasn't even planning on playing golf - it was a Monday - but I was doing some work at the place I used to work at when I was younger and catching up with some of the guys I've known for years. They were going out to play in the afternoon and had a spot available. I used to see these guys every day for years but we've never played together, so I said I'm in. I hit a really good approach shot into slope that separated the two tiers on the green and spun the ball closer to the hole. Had roughly 8' left to the hole, a downhill right to left breaker. One of the guys said, "You've got to make this, I've never seen an eagle before," and I said, "I've never made an eagle putt before." And then I made it. #17 at Stoneleigh @GolfLug's post reminded me of my own heroics on #17 a couple of years ago. The hole was back left, in the bottom tier. I hit my approach short of the green and flubbed my chip so it stayed on the top tier. I read how the putt was going to break after the ramp (is that what you call it?), then read my putt up to that point. It needed to basically die at that point because if it hit the slope with any kind of speed, it would long past the hole and possibly off the green. I hit the putt perfectly and holed the 40-footer center cup. #6 at Meadow at Neshanic Valley, #15 in the Round This was during the stroke play qualifier of my tournament. It might be a little bit of recency bias and I hit some really good long putts in the four rounds I played, but this 7-footer was my favorite putt of the entire tournament. The hole was cut on the top of a ridge. I hit my tee shot short right but hit a pretty good chip just long and below the hole. Play had backed up at this point, with the ladies waiting on the tee while we were finishing up. I hit the putt just a hair on the high side and it curled around the hole, fell back a couple of inches and stopped on lip. We all looked at it incredulously, "How does that not fall in?" Before I took my first step towards the hole, the ball must have thought the same thing and decided to drop.
    • I don't remember a ton of putts, but I've thought about this a bit and came up with 2 good ones. #5 at Mid-South: 2017 Newport Cup I remember the putt pretty well, but the surrounding details are a little hazy. I believe this was in my singles match against @cipher, and it was a hole he was stroking on. I had hit a mediocre approach to the front of the green and had what must have been a 50 foot putt to a back pin. If I remember correctly, @cipher was pretty close for an easy par at worst. I had @mvmac help me out with a read, which ended up being a great read by him. Hit the putt and jarred it for birdie. It was perfect speed, too, would have been an easy 2 putt if it hadn't gone in. I think we ended up tying for the hole. But I rarely make putts that long, and doing it to steal half a hole was really nice. #3 Fox Hollow (Links): 2023 Match Play This was on the third extra hole of a scratch match against a legitimate 0 handicapper. We had tied after 18 holes and traded pars on the first two extra holes. On the third extra hole, he had about 30 feet for birdie; I had about 25. We were on pretty much the exact same line. He missed his putt just on the low side, and I conceded the par. I felt good over this putt - I knew the break well and just needed good speed. I hit a great (not perfect) putt, and BAM, back of the cup for the victory on the 21st hole. I will say that the speed wasn't great, as it would have been a few feet past if it didn't hit the cup. But I wanted to give the ball a chance and take a bit of break out of it. I went on to win the match play tournament, which is my only tournament victory in a scratch event.
    • there will be lots of changes.  i mean, look at newey past, each team fell off a cliff when he moved on i think max is the magic bullet   if red bull loses him then whee are they going for drivers?   lots of young talent but he is a proven winner and i’m sure top engineers love to work with him  
    • I too, like @GolfLug, remember great wedge, iron shots, or my missed putts, more than my made putts. My most memorable recently, would be: #17 Old Course St. Andrews (last year) I had been putting awful all day (I started 3 putt, 4 putt, 3 putt, 3 putt), but found a putting stroke on the back 9 and was 1 under on the back going into 16 and of course I 3-putted it for a bogey. Got to 17 and my playing partner just hit it into the hotel, so I went a little more left and decided to not try and hit it over the hotel.  And as soon as my ball was in the air, I heard one of the other caddies do the chicken noise.  LOL My shot was a little more left than I wanted, about 185 yards, I hit a 6-iron and it was drawing right at the flag.  The pin was just to the right of he bunker and towards the front of the green. My ball hit short (and just missed going into said bunker) and stopped about 15 feet left of the hole. Had a little left to right break and as soon as I hit it, I knew it was in.  Birdie on the road hole, looked at the caddie and said not bad for a Chicken.  Parred 18 (missed 10 foot birdie putt) for a 35 on the back 9 at the Old Course. #18 Springfield G&CC Last year while playing in our season long match play event, my partner and I get the 18th hole needing to win the match to move on into the knockout round.  We are tied going into 18.  A tie and we lose on overall points by .5.  Our teaching pro is on the other team (very good golfer), so we were pretty sure we needed a birdie to have a chance to win the match, I hit on of the best drives I hit all day and had about 135 yards to the pin, but it was in a place where you didn't really want to be long.  So I hit a PW and it landed just short of the flag but released about 12 feet past the hole, so have a devilish putt coming back down the hill.  Our competitors were away and the pro missed his birdie putt by inches, I thought it was in when he hit it.  So after reading the putt, which probably had a 2 cup left to right break, I made the putt to win the match.   #15 Springfield G&CC A few years back, was playing in the first round of the Club Championship (against the previous years runner-up) and my putter was balky all day.  Got to the 15 hole, 2nd Par 5 on back, and was 3-down with 4 to play.  We both hit good drives, both hit good second shots and we both hit decent 3rd shots.  I was about 15 feet and he was just a hair longer.  He missed his putt, I had another slider putt down the hill, with about a foot of right to left break and made the putt.  I birded the next hole, to go 1 down, but not a memorable putt as I only needed a bogey to beat him on that hole, he had all kinds of issues going on.  Lost on 17, as he birdied it, right after I missed mine to lose 2&1.
    • Wordle 1,049 3/6* ⬜⬜⬜🟩🟨 ⬜⬜🟨🟩⬜ 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩  
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...