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  Shorty said:
Do a search on this site. The manufacturing process has zero bearing on feel. It is a matter of fact, not opinion.

Wrong.

I've put forging next to cast and I can tell the difference. I put a Mizuno next to a cast taylormade and, while the feel of the Taylormade wasn't bad, it paled in comparison to the Mizuno. I don't care what studies say. I, along with thousands of other golfers, have proven this to ourselves

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  Shorty said:
Do a search on this site. The manufacturing process has zero bearing on feel. It is a matter of fact, not opinion.

I think technically this is correct...as in if you had two clubs made of exactly the same materials and one was cast and one was forged you couldn't tell the difference in feel. That being said, the difference when people talk about a forged club is usually the difference between a hard cast stainless steel club and a soft forged carbon steel club head....it is the material that makes them feel different rather then the manufacturing process.

I can feel a difference between my MX-200's, Ping G5's and old forged Vulcan blades. The two forged clubs, because of the material used, feel incredibly soft and smooth when struck pure. The Pings just never felt quite like that, even on the best of shots.

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Wrong.

This is along the lines of what I was thinking. I took the RAC LTs out onto the course with the MP52s and there was no comparison for me. Don't get me wrong the RACs felt good, but there was a noticeable difference

for me . I am sure others feel differently, if not opposite of how I felt, but again I will say that it is preference. EDIT: Now that I see the above post, I would say that probably has a lot to do with it as well. But is why i would feel a difference between the two and be able to come to the conclusion that one felt better than the other.

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  l2djae said:
I don't quite understand your post. You're a 3 handicap, which is a ridiculously low handicap. But you say AP1s are a better fit for you even though you recommend AP2s for low handicappers. So your post seems to contradict itself. I'm curious because I'm about a 13 handicap and looking to buy AP2s.

Don't get stuck up on the playability and who a set of clubs are recommended for. Did you know a lot of the best players in the world play cavity back irons? Play whatever works best for your swing, not what Maltby or anyone else tells you to play.

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Wrong.

You are totally wrong.

You are comparing two different clubs. I play Mizuno forged irons and love them, but that is not because they are forged. The design is different. You have to compare like with like. By your logic you may as well say that the Mizunos felt better because of the colour of the paintfill.

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I've put forging next to cast and I can tell the difference.

Those are two totally different clubs.

And the metals themselves are not so different that you can tell the difference between the metals. Edit: D'oh, Shorty said it already:
  Shorty said:
You are totally wrong.

I will add this, however: studies have shown that golfers cannot tell the difference between forged and cast when they're given the same clubhead made in two different ways and with two different metals. Not a one could consistently give the right answer more than what amounted to 50% plus or minus a normal A/B testing tolerance.

"Forged" is a process, and any metal used in a clubhead is hard. You're deluding yourself if you think you can tell the difference.

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I'm curious...where are these studies posted? Would love to read them and look into this more.

I could feel a big difference between my forged carbon steel blade, my MX-200 cavity back forged clubs and my Ping G5's. Maybe it isn't the material or the process, but I'll just keep playing what feels better in my hands and that just happens to be my forged cavity backs right now.

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Fairway Wood- titleist.gif 909F2 15.5* w/ Diamana Blue stiff
Hybrid- titleist.gif 909H 19* 
Irons- mizuno.gifMX-200 4-PW, vokey.gifSM 50.8 bent to 51*, SM 56.11, and TVD 60*M
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  Zeph said:
Don't get stuck up on the playability and who a set of clubs are recommended for. Did you know a lot of the best players in the world play cavity back irons? Play whatever works best for your swing, not what Maltby or anyone else tells you to play.

honestly I think he has played forged players clubs for awhile and his score has been the same. When he got the forged ap2s and played with them. he didnt see himself getting any better than he has been expescially since hes getting older. He probably wanted to try something new like the ap1s that are more forgiving and might help him lower his handicap.


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A lot of forged clubs are made from a softer metal aren't they? Or they add carbon? I am asking, because I don't buy the whole feeling the same thing. I would agree 100% if you said two clubs made from the same material, one forged and one cast would feel the same. But I think a lot of people, myself included, say that forged feel better because they are softer. I don't think the bag chatter associated with forged clubs is made up, so it is my assumption that forged clubs are indeed softer and therefore could "feel" better if you like a soft feel. Those of you arguing that there is not a difference seem to be basing that on the same metal composition, but as I said, that does not seem to be the case in real life situations.

So it has been established that saying forged feels better, is incorrect. But saying that a softer metal comp. typically found in forged clubs feels better, leaves us where? I would assume that the latter is okay? I am asking because I want to understand, not to be an ass. Thanks.

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  Drudersh said:
Titleist should be paying you, you are an on course and online free advertisement. In fact, I have my suspicions that they are...

LOL, no, I just happen to like Titleist products because of the high quality craftsmanship they use and get from their subcontractors like Scotty Cameron and Bob Vokey .....


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LOL, no, I just happen to like Titleist products because of the high quality craftsmanship they use

Like every single other well known OEM

I'll bet you can't name one of the following as having poor quality manufacture: Mizuno, Callaway, Ping, Srixon, TaylorMade, Adams. Nothing wrong with your reasons for looking like a wannabe Pro (joking) with even the matching bag, but Titleist is exactly the same quality as all othe OEMs. That is, excellent. No better, no worse.

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  Shorty said:
Like every single other well known OEM

I have to disagree with you, and I will take that bet ........ pick up a Ping i15 or g15 iron and flip it over to the backside, now take your fingernail and lift up on the PING CTP label, it will lift right off, and when other clubs in the bag hit this CTP label made of plastic by the way, it dents and looks like

, that's low quality craftsmanship in my book

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