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Unless your playing on PGA quality greens, do you really need enough backspin, to spin balls backwards on the green?

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your sv tours spin plenty if u cant back it up then no wedge over 100 dollars will help you its your technique and yes to answer your question it helps tons on half shots from 70 to 30 yards and when short sided

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So, lol, you are giving me permission to buy some new CG-15s right? I don't get too much backspin, but I can hit up to a 5-iron with a short hop on the green, 3 and 4 roll forward though.

My clubs are beat to S%*, does anyone know if those wedge groove sharpeners work?

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If you can't spin your SV Tour Wedges, a more expensive wedge is not going to make a difference.

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your sv tours spin plenty if u cant back it up then no wedge over 100 dollars will help you its your technique and yes to answer your question it helps tons on half shots from 70 to 30 yards and when short sided

If you want the spin, why not? There are a lot of shots that I can play with good wedges that I just can't with worn down ones. But, as AK3 said, no wedge will give a bad player a ton of spin.

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Unless your playing on PGA quality greens, do you really need enough backspin, to spin balls backwards on the green?

No, but its nice to be able to.

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i am new to this forum but i'd like to add some light. I just got cg12s, 52 and 60. they are awesome - i used to have a basic sand wedge. Now, i can spin it like there's no tomorrow, hit a drop flop shot like it was my birthday everyday. it's worth the investment. Consider getting them from ebay and save tons. just have to know what you're looking for and find the right and legitiment deal (most are).

I thought about getting SVTs, i was sold when i eventually hit a cleveland.

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Not sure what the price has to do with the ability to spin a ball with a wedge, but I'll pay $100+ anyday if it helps me stop the ball on the green.

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Wedge is only part of the question. Also depends on what ball you play. A softer ball is easier to spin back, but these balls tend to cost $3+ each, and sometimes shred off is you really juice it.

As for $100+ wedges, take a look in the used club bins, or 2008-model displays. Lots of former $100+ wedges are down to $70 new, or maybe $40-$50 slightly used. Hunt around and see what you find.

Or, you could look at some of the new Adams Watson or Maxfli wedges for under $50. These are fine as long as you don't plan to do magic tricks with your wedge shots.

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    • Nah, man. People have been testing clubs like this for decades at this point. Even 35 years. @M2R, are you AskGolfNut? If you're not, you seem to have fully bought into the cult or something. So many links to so many videos… Here's an issue, too: - A drop of 0.06 is a drop with a 90 MPH 7I having a ball speed of 117 and dropping it to 111.6, which is going to be nearly 15 yards, which is far more than what a "3% distance loss" indicates (and is even more than a 4.6% distance loss). - You're okay using a percentage with small numbers and saying "they're close" and "1.3 to 1.24 is only 4.6%," but then you excuse the massive 53% difference that going from 3% to 4.6% represents. That's a hell of an error! - That guy in the Elite video is swinging his 7I at 70 MPH. C'mon. My 5' tall daughter swings hers faster than that.
    • Yea but that is sort of my quandary, I sometimes see posts where people causally say this club is more forgiving, a little more forgiving, less forgiving, ad nauseum. But what the heck are they really quantifying? The proclamation of something as fact is not authoritative, even less so as I don't know what the basis for that statement is. For my entire golfing experience, I thought of forgiveness as how much distance front to back is lost hitting the face in non-optimal locations. Anything right or left is on me and delivery issues. But I also have to clarify that my experience is only with irons, I never got to the point of having any confidence or consistency with anything longer. I feel that is rather the point, as much as possible, to quantify the losses by trying to eliminate all the variables except the one you want to investigate. Or, I feel like we agree. Compared to the variables introduced by a golfer's delivery and the variables introduced by lie conditions, the losses from missing the optimal strike location might be so small as to almost be noise over a larger area than a pea.  In which case it seems that your objection is that the 0-3% area is being depicted as too large. Which I will address below. For statements that is absurd and true 100% sweet spot is tiny for all clubs. You will need to provide some objective data to back that up and also define what true 100% sweet spot is. If you mean the area where there are 0 losses, then yes. While true, I do not feel like a not practical or useful definition for what I would like to know. For strikes on irons away from the optimal location "in measurable and quantifiable results how many yards, or feet, does that translate into?"   In my opinion it ok to be dubious but I feel like we need people attempting this sort of data driven investigation. Even if they are wrong in some things at least they are moving the discussion forward. And he has been changing the maps and the way data is interpreted along the way. So, he admits to some of the ideas he started with as being wrong. It is not like we all have not been in that situation 😄 And in any case to proceed forward I feel will require supporting or refuting data. To which as I stated above, I do not have any experience in drivers so I cannot comment on that. But I would like to comment on irons as far as these heat maps. In a video by Elite Performance Golf Studios - The TRUTH About Forgiveness! Game Improvement vs Blade vs Players Distance SLOW SWING SPEED! and going back to ~12:50 will show the reference data for the Pro 241. I can use that to check AskGolfNut's heat map for the Pro 241: a 16mm heel, 5mm low produced a loss of efficiency from 1.3 down to 1.24 or ~4.6%. Looking at AskGolfNut's heatmap it predicts a loss of 3%. Is that good or bad? I do not know but given the possible variations I am going to say it is ok. That location is very close to where the head map goes to 4%, these are very small numbers, and rounding could be playing some part. But for sure I am going to say it is not absurd. Looking at one data point is absurd, but I am not going to spend time on more because IME people who are interested will do their own research and those not interested cannot be persuaded by any amount of data. However, the overall conclusion that I got from that video was that between the three clubs there is a difference in distance forgiveness, but it is not very much. Without some robot testing or something similar the human element in the testing makes it difficult to say is it 1 yard, or 2, or 3?  
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