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Crey23 Dedicated Member

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A draw is caused by an open face to the target line.

Um...you've got it backwards....

MDL...it makes perfect sence thanks for the explanation....I just hadn't thought about....that would explain my results the last time on the course.
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WUTiger Incredible Member

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Distance: Draws seem to fly longer than fades.

On chips and pitches, I'll open or close the face a little depending on the situation.

One some tight courses, I use "defensive working" on tee shots to stay out of trouble. At these courses, if you try to hit it straight and miss, you can be in big trouble. On full shots, I can usually get a slight draw if I need it. Fades are more iffy.

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IcemanYVR Dedicated Member

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A draw is caused by an open face to the target line.

Sorry... but you open the clubface for a fade, and close the clubface for a draw... you can also keep the clubface square to the target line, and open your stance for a fade and close your stance for a fade. I try to shape most of my shots as it usually forces me to go through a thorough setup and pre-shot routine.

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Shanks A Million Great Member

Shanks A Million

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Um...you've got it backwards....

Sorry... but you open the clubface for a fade, and close the clubface for a draw... you can also keep the clubface square to the target line, and open your stance for a fade and close your stance for a fade.

It's actually true. Most people draw the ball with an open clubface, and fade it with a closed on. Sounds crazy, sure, but it's true. The reason is that they alter the clubpath. So, with a draw, the path is inside out, but the face is open to the target. Ball starts right, curves left. The face is actually closed in relation to the direction of force, but open to the target. That's all.


JML22 Great Member

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I can only shape my shots more than my natural baby draw/dead straight with becoming a flipper, which isnt worth it
i can hit a minor cut but, VERY rarely do i need to
I'd only attempt it if i'm behind a tree or something

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sean_miller Incredible Member

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I like Shanks a Millions addition to the open / closed debate. It's semantics. For a draw, I align my feet a little bit right of the path the ball will start (according to my plan) and the clubface a bit closed relative to that line. The clubface is the path the ball starts on and the fact it was closed relative to my swingpatch, the ball draws. Is the face open relative to the ball's final destination?

Probably. I tend to think of working a ball like hitting a breaking putt. With a breaking putt, my "target" is the path the ball starts on, because in the end, it's really the only thing I can control.

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Crey23 Dedicated Member

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It's actually true. Most people draw the ball with an open clubface, and fade it with a closed on. Sounds crazy, sure, but it's true. The reason is that they alter the clubpath. So, with a draw, the path is inside out, but the face is open to the target. Ball starts right, curves left. The face is actually closed in relation to the direction of force, but open to the target. That's all.

Shanks...that makes sense....IT really depends on the ability of the golfer to change up the swing. For me and my inconsistenet swing, I try to keep as many things untouched as possible to get the effect that I want. If I need to shape the ball, I open or close the face and make my regular swing. Some more expereinced golfer can certainly make several adjustemnts to improve the desired trajectory....thank you for the explanation....

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Shanks A Million Great Member

Shanks A Million

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Shanks...that makes sense....IT really depends on the ability of the golfer to change up the swing. For me and my inconsistenet swing, I try to keep as many things untouched as possible to get the effect that I want. If I need to shape the ball, I open or close the face and make my regular swing. Some more expereinced golfer can certainly make several adjustemnts to improve the desired trajectory....thank you for the explanation....

It's actually not as complex as it sounds. To hit a draw, you swing "under the bottom", to hit a fade you swing "over the top." In both cases, a square face will give you the shot shape you're looking for. The opening and closing of the face doesn't work very well, because it merely results in pull-hooks and push-slices. Ideally, we want to start the ball left and curve it right, or start it right and curve it left. if we're behind a tree, we have to get it around the tree first, then let it curve back. To do that, it's a simple as swinging under or over plane.


martytilma Well Established Member

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...Anyone else makes adjustments for sliced shots?

I'm decent, but I'm not that good. When I'm shaping a shot, I'm just hoping the damn thing goes where I want it to. Ha!

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IcemanYVR Dedicated Member

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too much to think about... I guess I don't really care about the physics of the draw or a fade... If I want to hit one, I just open or close my stance accordingly. That's what works for me.

And when I hit one, my ball tends to go down the line then fall to the left or the right.

Cheers, Allan

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