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A few come to mind:

1. Played with my then-boss years ago and he stood waaaay too close to me on every shot despite me asking him to move about 63 times. By the time we got to the 18th hole, I briefly thought about clipping him with my backswing, but thought better of it.

2. On a corporate outing for a different company, the President of R&D; (who was in my group) cheated on the long drive contest hole, moving his drive out of the rough and into the fairway, allowing him to just beat out some guy who worked in the warehouse and claim a valuable prize. If it is any consolation, the President died of a massive heart attack about a week later, which many of us thought was not a coincidence.

3. Played in a foursome years ago with 2 other decent players and an old guy who hit weak slices off the tee and then would go look for his ball at the 280 mark on each hole. Not surprisingly, he never found any of them (since they were on average 90 yards behind him, and either in the right rough or small lake).

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Since I can't recall every single instance, I'll just group them as:

1. People that are slow: total time to hit a shot from tee box should be < 15 seconds, from anywhere else, < 10 seconds. On the tee box, this would be time to put your tee in the ground, ball on tee, practice swing, aim and hit. If you're scratch, I'll give you a couple more seconds.
2. People that pull the cart off the path (usually just one side) at the tee boxes and greens, as if they need to give room for traffic to get past. All it does it ruin the grass at those locations.
3. More controversial: People that hit every ball into the woods and high grass, slowing us up and making us look for the 100th time. Go to the range or figure out a club you can keep in play.

I don't care if you talk in my backswing or tell boring stories or tell me what I'm doing wrong... just don't do the above and we'll get along just fine.

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Played at a tournament where one of the guys in my group would kneel down and look at his line as if he were reading a putt. He would do this every single time he would hit a shot, regardless if he was in putting, or hitting a full shot. It was rather difficult to fathom.

In the bag:
Driver: 907 D2/Proforce V2 R-flex
Hybrid: Burner '07 3 Hybrid/Re-Ax Shaft/19* (4* draw bias)
Irons: AP1 4-7i
AP2 8-PWedges: Spin Milled Tour Chrome (52.06/56.11) VR Forged Chrome 60.06Putter: Ignite 001 Ball: Pro V1/ One Tour/


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I generally play with 2 friends so often we will get put with a single. 9 times outta 10 this person is great to golf with and usually pretty outgoing.

However about a year ago our group got put with a guy whom after the ranger let us know he'd be playing with us we shook hands, he said hello....and that was the last peep outta him for 18 holes. We have gotten used to having an unknown 4th with us so we try to talk them up a bit to make them feel comfortable with us give them a few "nice shots" or "good putt" whatever the situation may warrant , talk some local sports on the tee, general guy stuff I guess. This dude didnt say a thing... not even a mumble or grumble. Shook our hands after 18 and walked off all silent. Was silly weird.

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A slow player,the one who takes about ten practice swings,stands over the ball to hit it and backs off and takes another practice swing.After two or three holes off this i usually just keep walking to my ball and play it.
Played with a guy once who would keep taking practice swings until he started to brush the grass pertfect with his club,we were often on the green with our balls marked waiting for him to get there.

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I get annoyed at playing partners who spend an ungodly amount of time sizing up each putt as though they were in contention for the Masters championship.
My Implements of Destruction (carried in a Hoofer Lite bag):

DRIVER: Big Bertha Diablo 10 degree draw, Aldila regular flex
FAIRWAY WOODS: G2 14 degree 3 wood & 17 degree 5 wood
IRONS: S59 3-PWWEDGES: M/B 54, 58, & 60 degree PUTTER: I Series Anser 4 (or G5i Anser, Anser 2F, or original...

Posted
Ahh, forgot one. This guy I played with takes wayyyyy too many practice swings, like an upwards of 6 or 7. That alone is usually something that bugs me.

In the bag:
Driver: 907 D2/Proforce V2 R-flex
Hybrid: Burner '07 3 Hybrid/Re-Ax Shaft/19* (4* draw bias)
Irons: AP1 4-7i
AP2 8-PWedges: Spin Milled Tour Chrome (52.06/56.11) VR Forged Chrome 60.06Putter: Ignite 001 Ball: Pro V1/ One Tour/


Posted
there's nothing wrong with sizing up a putt.... Its such an important part of the game

I dont like people who dont play smart and just hit clubs they obviously can't hit and go OB to OB to OB then say they bogeyed or something.

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9.5 09 Burner with prolaunch red
Nickent 4dx driver
Taylormade Z tp 52, 56, 60
YES Carolyne putter


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Thought of another: The Waggler

Got paired with a guy who would address his ball on the tee and then do one waggle, pause, then 2 waggles in rapid succession, then follow with 8 more sets of two waggles, followed by one single waggle, then another, and then hit it.

I'm serious - 21 waggles before each shot. We started counting on the 3rd hole and each time it was an identical routine.

The guy shot about 112.

Posted
lol @ 21 waggle routine

My Clubs:
Ping I3 + blade 3-pw
9.5 09 Burner with prolaunch red
Nickent 4dx driver
Taylormade Z tp 52, 56, 60
YES Carolyne putter


Posted
Thought of another: The Waggler

haha that had to be awful.

I hate playing with the guy that looks for his ball for 10 minutes. If you saw where your ball entered the woods, okay, look for it for a couple minutes and then drop. But when it obviously sliced 20+ yards into the woods or tall grass...just drop a ball, and not right by the green, claiming it went in "around there"

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Someone on the crackberry the whole round.
In my Hoofer:

G15 Driver 9° | Accra Classic SE stiff
Cleveland Hi-Bore 3W 15° | Accra Classic SE stiff
MP-57 3-PW | Rifle flighted shafts 6.0 Spin Milled 52-08 |Black Nickel | True Temper Dynamic Gold Spin Milled 56-08 |Black Nickel | True Temper Dynamic Gold Black Series I#9 putter Pro V1x

Posted
The guy who says "you're going to love it!" right after every single shot leaves the clubface and before you finish your follow through....no matter what or what shot. That guy was the most annoying ever.

Posted
the guy that goes through every shot like his life depends on it, taking forever, then duffing it 10ft in front of him.... even more hate it when i know theres people waiting behind us

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Posted
People who get seething angry for the whole round because they're playing crappy again. Yet they never practice, don't take time to think about their shots, but they still get pissed and it makes my round less fun.
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haha ya when people take forever and you look at their setup is a bit off and you just want to say oh man dude wait you're gonna hit it fat here just hold on
then they hit it fat and get mad

My Clubs:
Ping I3 + blade 3-pw
9.5 09 Burner with prolaunch red
Nickent 4dx driver
Taylormade Z tp 52, 56, 60
YES Carolyne putter


Posted
haha ya when people take forever and you look at their setup is a bit off and you just want to say oh man dude wait you're gonna hit it fat here just hold on

i pretty much do that all the time, make myself feel psychic lol.. some guy lines up, i check his alignment, and right before he swings ill say to myself, "its gonna go right, and...there it goes" lol... but your right, sometimes you jsut wanna stop 'em and tell them what you see, but dont wanna do that then them get mad at you, especially if your just metting them that day.

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:snake_eyes: 3 & 5 Woods
:adams:A4 3 hybrid
:bridgestone: J33 Forged Irons 4-pw
:ping: 50th Aniv. Karsten Ansr Putter56*, 60* wedges


Posted
or like oh man thats water no chance thats goin anywhere else lol

My Clubs:
Ping I3 + blade 3-pw
9.5 09 Burner with prolaunch red
Nickent 4dx driver
Taylormade Z tp 52, 56, 60
YES Carolyne putter


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