My divots go in-to-out

[Rugger]

I've read a lot that an in to out swing is preferable because it creates the swing path that will create a draw. Well that's great, except my draw is uncontrollable and often huge.

There are two scenarios with my in-to-out divots, as explained below.

1) Long irons. Aside from a thin contact shot, blocks to the right are my biggest problem with 3 and 4 iron. My divots are evidence that the ball goes where the swing path sends it. The problem with this scenario is that the ball doesn't draw, it just goes right. This doesn't always happen, but it's my most common directional mis-hit

2) Shorter irons, 6,7,8 usually. This is where the modest to big draw commonly makes an appearance. It will start out straight, then take a gradual dive left. Ending 5-40 yards to the left. I think it's my swing path, and my club face that cause this. I have watched my divots, and consciously tried to work on it at the range, I just cannot for the life of me figure it out. If it disappears when I'm working on it, sometimes the shot with block right, or maintain it's draw patters.

As an example, yesterday on a par 3: 170yards, pretty easy. I pull out my 9 iron figuring I'll take a little off and land the green easy. WRONG. First ball makes great contact, blocks 15 yrds right. Second ball, blocks 10 yrds right.

OK, now I'm thinking I need to pull through and toward the target. So I do. 3rd ball draws 15 yards left, second ball draws 10 yards left. I just can't figure this shit out.

So what can I do? What are some simple reminders or tips I can use to moderate my draw? How are the blocks and draws related? Any expert advice appreciated.

[acegolfer]

So what can I do? What are some simple reminders or tips I can use to moderate my draw? How are the blocks and draws related? Any expert advice appreciated.

1. Understand what causes your ball flight trajectory. Google D-plane or new law of ball flight.

2. I don't know any simple tips. If anybody knows, please share it. 3. blocks and draws are both caused by inside-out swing. 4. I'm not an expert.

[Rugger]

1. Understand what causes your ball flight trajectory. Google D-plane or new law of ball flight.

I've watch the ball flight law stuff, it was enlightening. I think I block when I leave the face open, and draw when the face is square with the in-out path. I just need to know how to fix or moderate it. If the in-to-out divots weren't so severe It would be fine, but the angle between target line and swing path line is too great. I need to figure out how to lessen it. I don't know if it's a backswing thing..or what else...

[colin007]

As an example, yesterday on a par 3: 170yards, pretty easy. I pull out my 9 iron figuring I'll take a little off and land the green easy.

[acegolfer]

I've watch the ball flight law stuff, it was enlightening. I think I block when I leave the face open, and draw when the face is square with the in-out path. I just need to know how to fix or moderate it. If the in-to-out divots weren't so severe It would be fine, but the angle between target line and swing path line is too great. I need to figure out how to lessen it. I don't know if it's a backswing thing..or what else...

Your diagnosis is correct.

There are many reasons for inside out swing. To fix it, you need to know the cause. Without more information or video, we can only speculate, which will not help.

[Rugger]

Your diagnosis is correct.

Speculation is better than nothing. I could always do some self evaluation with speculation in mind and maybe come up with something. what ya got?

[iacas]

It doesn't sound as though you're maintaining your right forearm flying wedge (look that thread up). The thin contact is a clue, and the difference(s) between your long and mid or short irons.

I think your rate of closure varies with the clubs...

[Gerald]

As an example, yesterday on a par 3: 170yards, pretty easy. I pull out my 9 iron figuring I'll take a little off and land the green easy. WRONG. First ball makes great contact, blocks 15 yrds right. Second ball, blocks 10 yrds right.

OK ... HC 16 .... 170 yds ..... iron 9 ...... Rifle Project X 6.0 ....... it is time to ease down your swing. It just makes no sense all together.

Step down to 70 or max 80 percent of your "normal" swingspeed, concentrate on a solid contact, but not at 110 mph. 170 yds ...... 6 iron, maybe even a 5 iron .... there is no need to blast a 9 iron 170 yds. Golf can be that simple !

[Rugger]

It doesn't sound as though you're maintaining your right forearm flying wedge (look that thread up). The thin contact is a clue, and the difference(s) between your long and mid or short irons.

I am a student of your flying wedge, and try to maintain it. Today when I was consciously focusing on it, my draws were bigger. You're certainly correct about hitting thin and the missing wedge, though.

[acegolfer]

Speculation is better than nothing. I could always do some self evaluation with speculation in mind and maybe come up with something. what ya got?

I'm guessing hip thrust.

[Rugger]

I'm guessing hip thrust.

Meaning? Remember you're talking to someone who has no idea what's going on.

[acegolfer]

Meaning? Remember you're talking to someone who has no idea what's going on.

This video explains one possibility of blocking, which is related to hip thrust. See whether this applies to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfP2n...layer_embedded

[Rugger]

This video explains one possibility of blocking, which is related to hip thrust. See whether this applies to you.

Mmm, yes. That does make sense. I have been trying to focus on getting my weight/body infront of the ball to further facilitate down ward contact. I haven't really been thinking about opening the hips, just moving them forward. I will take a look tomorrow and see what I can feel. Good stuff, thanks!

Keep the tips coming too!

[jcrob902]

Hah! The wonderful block the ball one swing draw or hook the ball 5-30 yrds on the next for me I had to train myself to stay behind the ball and keep my right heel on the ground until after I strike the ball when I tried to focus on the descending blow I started leading with the shoulders and couldn't square the face up or get handsy and shut it down now when I miss its always a big swinging hook but I only have one miss try making sure that your turning back and through watch the sliding in the back swing don't let your right hip move laterally on the back swing.

[Stretch]

I've watch the ball flight law stuff, it was enlightening. I think I block when I leave the face open, and draw when the face is square with the in-out path.

Not quite. When your club face is square to the swing path at impact, you will hit the ball straight along the swing path. In this case, a straight push out to the right.

A draw comes from the face being slightly closed relative to the in-to-out swing path. Note that it should still be OPEN relative to the target line. If you're hitting short iron overdraws, you're probably aiming straight at the green and making your usual swing. The ball will then start toward the flag before gracefully turning over into the left greenside bunker or water hazard. If you want any truly useful feedback here, you're probably going to have to start videoing your swing in earnest.

[Rugger]

Not quite. When your club face is square to the swing path at impact, you will hit the ball straight along the swing path. In this case, a straight push out to the right.

Whoops, yep I means club face square with target line using in-to-out swing! I am going to try and take a serious lesson soon and hopefully they'll have some high quality video for me.