My Swing (Taggsy)

[iacas]

Originally Posted by cbrian

Lastly, in my opinion the fall away is due to attempt to balance himself and to create axis tilt. Try swinging with your feet together and see if it looks similar to his motion.

This, and to get back to a ball that's slightly back. There's more to it than that but I think he's still working on things so I don't want to mess with it too much... (and I'm agreeing cbrian, but I think you know that...).

[EverythingGolf]

I didnt mean spin out in the back swing, sorry I worded it wrong. The straightening of the right leg can cause your right hip to lift up in the back swing and cause a reverse pivot. When you get to much weight on your left side at the top of your back swing it can lead to a spin out on the down swing. From what my PGA Instructor taught me over the years is that you want your weight on your right side during the back swing and on the down swing your weight is transfered to your left. Now that there is the stack and tilt swing from what ive seen it does not work like that.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by EverythingGolf

The straightening of the right leg can cause your right hip to lift up in the back swing and cause a reverse pivot.

You seem to be a curious guy, so do your research and don't take what your old instructor told you as gospel.

I'm of the opinion - based on research and so on, not just because someone told me - that the right hip should raise. It's on its own inclined plane at setup and if your hips turn in a circle, two things MUST occur: a) the right hip will rise, and b) the right knee will lose or lessen its flex (or "straighten" - but some people seem to think that means "lock out" which it doesn't, or doesn't to me).

[cbrian]

Originally Posted by EverythingGolf

I didnt mean spin out in the back swing, sorry I worded it wrong. The straightening of the right leg can cause your right hip to lift up in the back swing and cause a reverse pivot. When you get to much weight on your left side at the top of your back swing it can lead to a spin out on the down swing. From what my PGA Instructor taught me over the years is that you want your weight on your right side during the back swing and on the down swing your weight is transfered to your left. Now that there is the stack and tilt swing from what ive seen it does not work like that.

Just because his spine is tilted towards target doesn't mean weight is on his front foot. In his case the spine tilt is created by a shift in his hips. So weight is definitely on his back foot a the top. Also, even in a "model" S&T swing (most centered), weight is going to be on the back foot at the top thanks to the arms and club.

Troy Matteson is going to be furthest left on the spectrum (weight wise), and even he doesn't display a reverse pivot. Hes left moving left, not left moving right.

Also, you might want to spend some time on youtube looking at golf swings. There are lots of greats that have noticeable straightening in the right knee.

[cbrian]

Originally Posted by iacas

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Originally Posted by cbrian

Lastly, in my opinion the fall away is due to attempt to balance himself and to create axis tilt. Try swinging with your feet together and see if it looks similar to his motion.

This, and to get back to a ball that's slightly back. There's more to it than that but I think he's still working on things so I don't want to mess with it too much... (and I'm agreeing cbrian, but I think you know that...).

Yea, I just didn't know what type of shot he was playing. Thought it might have been purposefully back.

[Taggsy]

I'm "hitting" this time, rather than "swinging".

I like to play around with my "hitting" stroke and see how efficient I can make it. You'd be surprised how far you can hit the ball with what feels like half a swing.

6 iron, in glorious HD. Face on, and down the line.

[Taggsy]

Gagh, something's gone awry. Here's those youtube links again...

[colin007]

Originally Posted by Taggsy

Gagh, something's gone awry. Here's those youtube links again...

again, your head is moving back on the downswing.

[Taggsy]

Originally Posted by colin007

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Originally Posted by Taggsy

Gagh, something's gone awry. Here's those youtube links again...

again, your head is moving back on the downswing.

I think I'm stuck with that, to be honest.

[Taggsy]

My "McIlroy" swing; left armed swinging using the 2nd pressure point.

[Taggsy]

I've made some changes during the past couple of months, most noticeably with the backswing.

It's now steeper with the clubshaft remaining more on plane on its way to the top. I'm now loading the 2nd accumulator more effectively, but at the expense of the 4th. You'll notice my hands aren't as "deep" as they used to be, and the right elbow now comes away from the torso. I don't plan on changing this to make it more S&T-ish;, for the time being I prefer it as it is.

I'm using the 3rd pressure point with better results thanks to the new backswing too. My hinge action is horizontal for full shots, but more angled with pitches and half-swings. I toyed with angled hinge action to make it more S&T-ish;, but I found it negatively effected my impact and I had trouble maintaining lag with it.

I'll be keeping this swing for the '11 season and seeing how I get on with it.

The ball flight for the two videos was a straight draw, but it's nothing too dramatic. Because of the horizontal hinge action I find it difficult to have an open face at impact, so those push-draws aren't going to happen with my current swing.

Most of my bad shots currently are contact related, rather than ball flight ones. I'll hit the occasional fat shot, but I'm working on that. Keeping my head down and eyes focused on impact and followthrough have helped greatly. I no longer use an aiming point ahead of the ball now however- I found I hit more fat shots with it.

I'm hitting my 6 iron here with a total distance of around 165 / 170 yards.

Any comments, suggestions, questions appreciated!

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by Taggsy

I'm hitting my 6 iron here with a total distance of around 165 / 170 yards.

Is it landing on a cart path?

[iacas]

I like the motion, but you'll probably want to work on the hips moving forward sooner and getting forward farther. They continue going forward well after impact which is a bit odd.

[motteler621]

Originally Posted by sean_miller

Is it landing on a cart path?

sorry but that's hilarious.

[Taggsy]

Iacas - Thanks for the advice, I'll work on that.

Sean - 160 to 165 is about normal for my 6 iron. The ground was hard today after a few weeks of warm weather here, hence the extra roll. Thanks for taking time to comment.

[hokiebound]

I feel like you aren't following through at all.

[motteler621]

i would say, read some instructional books by more than just TGM, S&T etc. A few Ive read recently is Tom Watsons new book (great stuff), micheal breeds book, the perfect swing, was surprisingly very good as well.

[Taggsy]

I've decided to take the plunge and become a fully fledged S&T; swinger. I've signed up to Evolvr and I'm looking forward to getting some advice on what to work on, rather than my usual hit-and-miss approach to improving my swing! I'd spent the last couple of practice sessions changing my swing to make it more S&T-like.; Most noticeably the follow-though and finish are more typically S&T.; I've adopted a hinge action somewhere between angled and vertical (it feels vertical at least), rather than my old horizontal style. The start of the backswing (to just past P2) is now initiated by rolling and cocking the wrists (3rd and 2nd accumulators respectively) and with little shoulder turn and right arm bending.

I've made an effort to slide the hips on the downswing too. I've found it helps to keep my right foot planted to the floor right up to impact, but allow the foot to roll towards the target. This prevents me from turning my hips, but allows them to slide easier.

Anyway, here I am with a 7 iron. I'll keep you updated with the improvements! Let me know what you think.