Any good Tiger Woods Ryder Cup swings?

[majorchamp]

There was one posted a while ago...was slow motion..but was curious if there were any others you guys have come across.

[iacas]

There was one posted a while ago...was slow motion..but was curious if there were any others you guys have come across.

They'd be out there and you'd find them if they had them. The one down the line one from a practice round (I think) was a horrible camera angle. Too high and outside to be of much use.

It's easy to fall into the trap of assuming that Tiger Woods has a great swing... so be careful of that.

[majorchamp]

They'd be out there and you'd find them if they had them. The one down the line one from a practice round (I think) was a horrible camera angle. Too high and outside to be of much use.

cause he does have a great swing.

crap...if a guy with 14 majors, 70+ pga tour wins, etc... doesn't have a great swing...then I don't know what to say. I guess I will take the guy with a crappy swing who wins then someone with a great swing who can't make a cut.

[motteler621]

cause he does have a great swing.

he does have a good swing, but Im sure there are flaws. Its not mainly his swing IMO that got him all those wins. I heard Johnny Miller say about Tiger at the beginning of the ryder cup when Tiger was hitting some bad shots "Tiger looks like hes playing "golf swing" instead of "golf" because he was taking so many practice swings etc before shots and after mess ups.

[majorchamp]

he does have a good swing, but Im sure there are flaws. Its not mainly his swing IMO that got him all those wins. I heard Johnny Miller say about Tiger at the beginning of the ryder cup when Tiger was hitting some bad shots "Tiger looks like hes playing "golf swing" instead of "golf" because he was taking so many practice swings etc before shots and after mess ups.

there is not a single player in golf history EVER that has won a golf tournament because all they had was a GREAT golf swing.

And it's a rare event if a player wins a golf tournament who has a CRAPPY swing. You have a great swing..other areas of your game can be less honed..but still need to be honed whether its the mental aspect, the short game, etc... if you have a crappy swing..you better have the heart of a God and luck on your side to not only win 1 time..but to win multiple times. There are only a couple dozen of players in our life that happen to have a good balance of great swings, great minds, great short games, etc.. and those are the players with lots of majors, lots of wins. Everyone else are good players, but certainly are not at the levels of Woods, Player, Nicklaus, Palmer, Hogan, etc... to say it's easy to fall into a trap that Tiger Woods has a great swing is laughable..because he DOES have a great swing.

[iacas]

cause he does have a great swing.

As I suspected, you missed the point. Or perhaps don't quite understand it, or haven't thought about it enough, or something...

Look at Phil Mickelson's swing. It's full of compensations and almost nobody uses it as an example of what people should do in the golf swing because everyone knows it's full of compensations. Tiger's got less but he still has 'em (though, again, I like the work he's doing, and I hope Foley knows more downswing pieces than I think he does), and he had more under Haney, but they're still there. Phil Mickelson, Tiger Woods, and to varying degrees every other golfer on the PGA Tour are simply otherworldly talents. That Phil has won as often as he has with a swing that's got that many compensations in it is a testament to his talent and ability, not to how "good" his swing is. That Tiger has won 14 majors with a swing that had some compensations in it is a testament to his talent more so than his core swing mechanics. Not to mention that there are a lot of other things in play. Short game, putting, touch, feel, decision-making, course management, guessing, luck, SPEED, ability to read a green..., none of which have to do with a full swing. The average golfer's (you'd be included here, as would I and so far as I know everyone else on the forum here except perhaps Dave) best shot is not to copy someone else's swing, but to find a swing that's as close to fundamentally sound as they can make it. Besides, you're better off waiting for early 2011 for Tiger's swing. It's in a state of flux.

And it's a rare event if a player wins a golf tournament who has a CRAPPY swing.

Nobody on the PGA Tour has a crappy swing. That doesn't mean that every individual golfer on the PGA Tour has a great swing. They all do parts well and they all have compensations and they all do some parts poorly - to varying degrees (sometimes week to week in the same person).

That's beside the point I'm making, though. I've never said Tiger or Phil had "crappy" swings. I'm saying that they have compensations and unorthodox moves and such - and unless you understand them, you're doing yourself a dis-service in trying to copy them. I'm warning against that in case that's where you're headed. Your pal Jeff Overton has a bunch of compensations. When he's on and things are timed well, he plays great golf. Doesn't mean you want to try to copy his motion. A piece here or there, sure. But not if you don't understand how the pieces fit together - each compensation requires a corollary compensation or more, after all. Compensations have to be in at least pairs if not more or you can't ever play good golf.

because he DOES have a great swing.

Relative to you? Sure. Relative to what he wants? He would not agree.

And again, I'll caution against using any swings from 2010 or early 2011. Wait until mid-2011, or at least Augusta.

[majorchamp]

As I suspected, you missed the point. Or perhaps don't quite understand it, or haven't thought about it enough, or something...

"As suspected"...lol it's like you wrote your comment in a way to setup a trap or something..hoping to catch prey lol. You wrote it knowing I (and others) might jump at the opportunity to defend it or misinterpret it.

every golfer has compensations...some more some less. So let me ask the question then. Who (whether its in the past or present) has a GREAT swing AND is a GREAT player? Who ecompasses all the pieces of a swing that makes it GREAT and has the other aspects that make them a great player? Yea can't wait for 2011..hopefully we see a new Tiger. Even with all those other things in play (short game, putting, etc...) I still think to win as much as Tiger has...you have to have a great swing. but anyways..this post is about existing Tiger Woods Ryder Cup 2010 swings. If you guys come across em..post em.

[sean_miller]

"As suspected"...lol it's like you wrote your comment in a way to setup a trap or something..hoping to catch prey lol. You wrote it knowing I (and others) might jump at the opportunity to defend it or misinterpret it.

You should add a disclaimer. "Other than a list of S&T guys, who has a great swing and is a great player?"

My votes would be all over the place since my idea of a great swing is one that seems athletic and natural. The tempo seems to fit the personality of the player. There are flaws for sure, but I always thought Greg Norman, Nick Price, Davis Love III, Johhn Miller, Tom Kite, Hale Irwin, Tom Lehman, and the somewhat irrelevant Bob Tway had swings I could watch repeatedly. I only remember Tom Watson and Jack from the tournaments they won, and they had some gaps without wins where things just didn't work out for them.

[majorchamp]

You should add a disclaimer. "Other than a list of S&T guys, who has a great swing and is a great player?"

yea good point. Really a great swing is in the eye of the beholder. The ONLY one who has a perfect swing is Iron Byron :)

[iacas]

"As suspected"...lol it's like you wrote your comment in a way to setup a trap or something..hoping to catch prey lol. You wrote it knowing I (and others) might jump at the opportunity to defend it or misinterpret it.

Nah. I didn't do that.

So let me ask the question then. Who (whether its in the past or present) has a GREAT swing AND is a GREAT player? Who ecompasses all the pieces of a swing that makes it GREAT and has the other aspects that make them a great player?

There are a few. Ben Hogan's swing is perhaps the greatest. And I could probably make a compelling case that Moe Norman's swing is even better. Vastly different looking swings, but they had the least amount of compensations for their particular motion.

But that also doesn't mean you should copy Hogan's swing. Or Moe's.

I still think to win as much as Tiger has...you have to have a great swing.

I disagree simply because talent can overcome flaws. You seem to be using the results of a swing to judge the soundness or "greatness" of the swing itself.

You should add a disclaimer. "Other than a list of S&T; guys, who has a great swing and is a great player?"

Hardy har. I'm not sure I'd list one or two of those guys in the top 50 "greatest swings on Tour right now."

It's not the beholder, it's how you define "great" swing. Lemme put it this way... Look at Lee Westwood at impact. If you think he's got a great swing because he's #2 in the world, we define "great swing" differently, and that's likely the end of the conversation. Point taken about the topic. But there aren't videos, or they'd be out, so I think the original topic is DOA.

[majorchamp]

That's beside the point I'm making, though. I've never said Tiger or Phil had "crappy" swings. I'm saying that they have compensations and unorthodox moves and such - and unless you understand them, you're doing yourself a dis-service in trying to copy them. I'm warning against that in case that's where you're headed.

Damnit...there goes the last 10 years :). I have used Tiger's swing as a muse for a long time..along with probably millions of kids, HS, and college golfers.

Nobody will ever be able to copy Tiger's swing, or Phils, etc... some might get close..but just like DNA, every swing is unique and will stay that way.

Point taken about the topic. But there aren't videos, or they'd be out, so I think the original topic is DOA.

Yea probably...though I forget the YouTuber's name..but he had some sweet Bankok 2000 Tiger Woods footage and some from teh 2008 U.S Open (all range work) that was like 10 min long each. Was fun to watch but I think he uploaded them this past year.

maybe someone will put up some late footage :)

[Zeph]

[sean_miller]

Hardy har. I'm not sure I'd list one or two of those guys in the top 50 "greatest swings on Tour right now."

I was serious - it's been said that some of the S&T guys are not as talented but maintain their status on the Tour due to S&T.; Even Wi basically said that. There are S&T examples that I find painful to watch since there doesn't seem to be enough clubhead speed being generated, but others look like poetry in motion. Just like any type of swing I suppose. Steve Elkington would probably have a beautiful motion no matter what, as long as you don't look directly at his shirts.

[iacas]

I was serious - it's been said that some of the S&T; guys are not as talented but maintain their status on the Tour due to S&T.;

Yeah, I've said that. Bill Lunde won a PGA Tour event this year and was basically out of professional golf three years ago. Wi said it, as you said. But I wouldn't call Bill Lunde's swing great, either. Good enough to let him win an alternate field event? Sure. Great? Uhhh...

Right on about Elk's shirts. Elk was S&T; for awhile, and he left because he's a wanderer. He's a tinkerer, and I think he's worked with about 200 of the top 50 instructors in the world and 400 of those who aren't ranked at all. :)

[MJP]

Both shots were pulled. Maybe that was the shot he was trying to hit though. I can't see the pin location and maybe that fairway is a dog leg right.

[CrazyXGolfer]

hmmm I think tigers golf swing is looking worse. He is just getting the club more and more laid off.

Im not going to try and look for all the faults in it, but it;s just starting to look ugly.

Ernie els has the best golf swing of all time imo

BTW thanks for posting thoese vid's.

[Open-Faced Club Sandwedge]

Both shots were pulled. Maybe that was the shot he was trying to hit though. I can't see the pin location and maybe that fairway is a dog leg right.

It looked to me like the iron shot was right at the middle of the green, and the driver shot was heading down the left side of the fairway. Maybe a slight pull, or maybe he was just hitting a slight fade.

-Andrew

[iacas]

He is just getting the club more and more laid off.

Let's put you down for a "C-" in terms of diagnosing a golf swing.

May 2009 vs. October 2010 (not quite to top of swing - he'll get closer to parallel and less laid off): He's less laid off now.