Fade; tour players

[motteler621]

Who of tour players hits a slight fade (or pull fade) for their stock shot? How do they do this, by coming over the top slightly?

[iacas]

  motteler621 said:

Who of tour players hits a slight fade (or pull fade) for their stock shot? How do they do this, by coming over the top slightly?

Very few of the faders hit a pull-fade. Most hit a push-fade.

Anyway, you won't get a definitive answer here or anywhere else, really.

[motteler621]

  iacas said:

Very few of the faders hit a pull-fade. Most hit a push-fade.

oh ok. how do they hit the push fade? and why would they want a push fade since it would start right and then go more right when it fades, seems like it would be like atleast 50 degrees off target when it hits ground

[sean_miller]

  motteler621 said:

oh ok. how do they hit the push fade? and why would they want a push fade since it would start right and then go more right when it fades, seems like it would be like atleast 50 degrees off target when it hits ground

Occasionally I hit a controlled push fade that either stops on a dime or with a smidgen of release (1-5 yards right). Good for distance control and when left is dead. I try it often - occasionally it works.

[motteler621]

  sean_miller said:

Occasionally I hit a controlled push fade that either stops on a dime or with a smidgen of release (1-5 yards right). Good for distance control and when left is dead. I try it often - occasionally it works.

yea I just was wondering about some slight faders on tour because I like to close the face like 1-2 degrees at address and then hit. In video it looks like Im coming over the top a little because at P6 my shaft isnt parallel with the target. The ball flight goes on a line thats inbetween my feet and the ball and then fades a tiny bit or in alot of cases no fade. Looking at my divots they are usually straight, not over the top marks. So I dont know really, just trying to work on impact position. I also tried coming more inside by having my shaft parallel with the ground at P6 and I end up just pushing shots way right and the divots are of pushes.

[iacas]

  motteler621 said:

oh ok. how do they hit the push fade? and why would they want a push fade since it would start right and then go more right when it fades, seems like it would be like atleast 50 degrees off target when it hits ground

The push is not relative to their target, it's relative to their stance. Consider Lee Trevino.

[Arthur]

  motteler621 said:

oh ok. how do they hit the push fade? and why would they want a push fade since it would start right and then go more right when it fades, seems like it would be like atleast 50 degrees off target when it hits ground

Lee Trevino and Jack Nicklause both hit a push fade and controlled it by aiming left. New ball flight rules say that an out to in swing path with an open club face relative to the path creates a push fade, as I understand it. The open club face would give a higher ball flight and thus less roll so more control in the air.

Having said that this is my understanding and it may be wrong, as I often am according to She Who Must Be Obeyed.

[soloredd]

Doesn't Fred Couples hit a fade? I think he's the best current example I can come up with. I remember in the Masters he was hitting off the far left tee box marker, several times standing outside the marker.

I wish I could hit a fade, at least with my driver. Seems like a very potent shot to have, more so than a draw.

[deronsizemore]

  Arthur said:

New ball flight rules say that an out to in swing path with an open club face relative to the path creates a push fade, as I understand it..

For a push fade, you would need a square path or slightly inside-out with a slightly open face relative to that path. The open face starts the ball right, and the face being open more than the path applies left to right spin. If you had an outside-in path with an open face relative to that path you're going to get either a pull fade, straight fade or push slice depending on how big the difference is between face and path.

[Open-Faced Club Sandwedge]

  deronsizemore said:

For a push fade, you would need a square path or slightly inside-out with a slightly open face relative to that path. The open face starts the ball right, and the face being open more than the path applies left to right spin. If you had an outside-in path with an open face relative to that path you're going to get either a pull fade, straight fade or push slice depending on how big the difference is between face and path.

Yep. If you have a square path, then the club face will cause either a straight shot, a pull-draw, or a push-fade, since a square path will be out-to-in ralative to an open face, or in-to-out relative to a closed face. Holding off the club a little will promote a good wedge, and an open face. Do it consistently, and aim to the left, and you have a playable push-fade.

-Andrew

[saevel25]

when i open the clubface and try to get a push fade, it turns into a 50 yard push out into no mans land.