Jump to content
IGNORED

The Concept of "Par" is Overrated.


nleary9201
Note: This thread is 4782 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Recommended Posts



Originally Posted by The Recreational Golfer

Par is overrated for golfers who will never play at that level. Comparing ourself to par is a standard too strict for most of us, and quite frankly irrelevant to how we play.

If you don't break 80 regularly, you should compare yourself to level fives. Don't break 100 too often? Compare yourself to level sixes. These are forgiving standards which help the game be more fun. I think in the effort to improve, the "fun" part of golf can get lost.

It can get lost....but I LOVE going to the range....improving is the best part of golf.

I would go crazy if I only shot in the 90s for my entire life.

:tmade: SLDR X-Stiff 12.5°
:nike:VRS Covert 3 Wood Stiff
:nike:VRS Covert 3 Hybrid Stiff
:nike:VR Pro Combo CB 4 - PW Stiff 2° Flat
:cleveland:588RTX CB 50.10 GW
:cleveland:588RTX CB 54.10 SW
:nike:VR V-Rev 60.8 LW
:nike:Method 002 Putter

Link to comment
Share on other sites




Originally Posted by The Recreational Golfer

Par is overrated for golfers who will never play at that level. Comparing ourself to par is a standard too strict for most of us, and quite frankly irrelevant to how we play.

If you don't break 80 regularly, you should compare yourself to level fives. Don't break 100 too often? Compare yourself to level sixes. These are forgiving standards which help the game be more fun. I think in the effort to improve, the "fun" part of golf can get lost.


Everyone should have short term and long term goals in whatever sport or recreation they choose to compete in.  I don't see par being any more distracting than a perfect 300 is in bowling, or a sub 5 min mile is in running.  My fun comes from putting in the time and effort that results in improvement and progress towards achieving my short term and long term goals.

Joe Paradiso

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

TristinHilton, I agree with you on this.  I think "score" and "par" are kinda the same thing in this argument. I know that I fall into the bad habit of mentally giving up on double bogey putts or putting extra pressure on myself on eagle and birdie putts.   This year I just want to give each "stroke" the same attention.  I think this will help my overall score.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


I think par is useful as a target, as on most courses I've seen, it's a good score if you hit 3, 4, or 5 good but not perfect shots.  Sometimes it'll be off by a bit, but that's just the nature of the game.  In addition, as was mentioned above, it helps you break the game down into manageable pieces for strategy / risk management.  Yes, it doesn't matter where you gain / lose strokes, but by and large you're a lot more likely to make 2 birdies than you are a par and an eagle.  If you've got 2 holes left and need to pick up 2 strokes, your best bet is likely to be to go for it now.  Of course, this is not always applicable; normally you probably just want to play so you have the lowest expected score.  In that case, sure, ignore par and play the highest percentage shot for each situation independently.

One other way it's useful is on an unfamiliar course.  Especially for a hole that's in between distances, like a low-400-yard par 5, the number assigned can give you some hints as to what to expect.  A short par 5 is likely to have more trouble and a smaller green than a long par 4.

It's unfortunate that pars aren't always assigned properly, but even that can be difficult.  My home course has a hole that used to be a par 5, but was shortened and changed a bit to protect a house in hook territory to the off the tee.  They reassigned it a par 4, but it's either the longest or second longest hole on the course, uphill to a slightly elevated green, with a dogleg left about 200 yards from the tee leaving you more than 200 yards to the green if you don't draw around it.  It'd be a pretty straightforward par 5, but is a dastardly par 4.  IMO it'd be better for them to make it a 5 instead, although the par for the course overall is fair as it has a lot of short par 4s where a good golfer should be making up strokes.  It's one of those cases where you just have to learn that you're more likely to birdie it as a par 5 than you are to par it as a par 4, at least if you don't have a 250 yard draw in your bag.

In the bag:
FT-iQ 10° driver, FT 21° neutral 3H
T-Zoid Forged 15° 3W, MX-23 4-PW
Harmonized 52° GW, Tom Watson 56° SW, X-Forged Vintage 60° LW
White Hot XG #1 Putter, 33"

Link to comment
Share on other sites


maybe par is overrated if you can't get a par. gosh, so mean.

I have always felt that making a par every hole was the goal in golf. If I could shot a par round I would be very happy. if you are happy being a bogey golfer, that's fine I guess. but, why not try to become a par golfer? it's fun. haha

golf is a lot like life. the more you enjoy it, the better off you are. a3_biggrin.gif
 
 

Link to comment
Share on other sites




Originally Posted by nleary9201

TristinHilton, I agree with you on this.  I think "score" and "par" are kinda the same thing in this argument. I know that I fall into the bad habit of mentally giving up on double bogey putts or putting extra pressure on myself on eagle and birdie putts.   This year I just want to give each "stroke" the same attention.  I think this will help my overall score.



I think I may be the other way around... at least a little bit.  I put more pressure on myself to make the double bogey putt because it's already bad enough and a triple would be worse... on a birdie putt, I still want to make it but if I don't, I still get par which especially for me is good.

Tristan Hilton

My Equipment: 
PXG 0211 Driver (Diamana S+ 60; 10.5°) · PXG 0211 FWs (Diamana S+ 60; 15° and 21°) · PXG 0211 Hybrids (MMT 80; 22°, 25°, and 28°) · PXG 0311P Gen 2 Irons (SteelFiber i95; 7-PW) · Edel Wedges (KBS Hi-Rev; 50°, 55°, 60°) · Edel Classic Blade Putter (32") · Vice Pro or Maxfli Tour · Pinned Prism Rangefinder · Star Grips · Flightscope Mevo · TRUE Linkswear Shoes · Sun Mountain C130S Bag

On my MacBook Pro:
Analyzr Pro

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Par is good. It's an indication of how you're doing compared to an ideal field of players. If you seem to hit double par on most holes before getting to the green, you better plan on being the fastest terrible golfer ever, getting better, or picking up occasionally.

Without the "par" benchmark some people might just keep wacking away. Okay, I'm shooting 51, now  52, now 53, and a tap in for 54. Just two more holes then on to the back nine.

Mizuno MP600 driver, Cleveland '09 Launcher 3-wood, Callaway FTiz 18 degree hybrid, Cleveland TA1 3-9, Scratch SS8620 47, 53, 58, Cleveland Classic 2 mid-mallet, Bridgestone B330S, Sun Mountain four5.

Link to comment
Share on other sites




Originally Posted by nleary9201

Sean_Miller, Who is writing about "double par?"


I was - two posts up. But I'm referring to brand new golfers. I'm not thinking of typical 20-30 cappers. Once a player has a remotely accurate handicap they should be aware of their own personal version of par. A player with a handicap index > 18 gets at least 1 stroke on every hole and 2 strokes on a few others. They should focus on each stroke, but if they make a few mistakes along the way, they can still play to their index - their par.

Mizuno MP600 driver, Cleveland '09 Launcher 3-wood, Callaway FTiz 18 degree hybrid, Cleveland TA1 3-9, Scratch SS8620 47, 53, 58, Cleveland Classic 2 mid-mallet, Bridgestone B330S, Sun Mountain four5.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Yea that all makes sense.  I just was trying to focus on the mental effect it has on my game and others I play with.  I think we all have given up on or tried harder on shots because of their effect on par on a given hole.  I just think it might help alot of golfers to take a different approach a few times this year and see if it helps.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Note: This thread is 4782 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    TourStriker PlaneMate
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-15%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope.
  • Posts

    • I saw a YouTube review on a bunch of ball brands and the Maxfli Tour X did very well in comparison. I bought a sleeve and found them to be excellent in feel and distance. But I’m a lousy golfer so nobody probably cares about my opinion. 😃
    • There seems to be a lot of buzz around the new Maxfli Tour and TourS balls, especially with a handful of tour pros signing on to play them. My understanding is that the Tour is similar to the Titleist ProV1 and TourS is like the Titleist AVX. Has anyone played them? My main concern is that while I liked the feel and performance of the Maxfli balls of many years ago, I found the paint job on them was lousy. The finish looked a bit faded right out of the box, and after a few holes they had faded even more, and sometimes the paint was actually coming off. I'm hoping to find out if they are using a different factory or improved their paint process.  Opinions, please. 
    • Day 298: range session during lunch. Hit balls for about 20 minutes, focusing on start line and curve. Much better than last night. Then did a stack putting session, which was solid (for me).
    • Day 2 (3 May 24) - Played 18 with the Men’s group today….a fun round in which my elderly neighbor was part of the foursome I was in.  
    • You advertise LIV as "golf but louder" You had DJ's pumping Jock Jams all over the place. You have Bros who are really into golf and TFG shot gunning 26 oz bud lights, while double fisting a 19 oz coors. What type of behavior do you expect?
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...