S&T Help, Thinning Everything

[grim golfer]

Lately I have been revamping my swing due to certain problems ive been having with my wrists and other anatomy.

So after watching the dvds and practicing everything felt good, NOT SO, lol

Out on the range my wedge shots using stack and tilt were fantastic, so I was feeling good. As I started to move up to about my 7 iron and up into long irons all shots were thinned. Thats when the swing felt weird and I was getting frustrated and by the end of the session I was very unhappy with my results.

So ive been going at it for a few weeks and its pretty much the same. So i decided to video my swing.

I will try to post it as im in class right now, lol, but in general my observation has been that in the vids when they hit their shots using s&t; its very fluid and not jagged.

The head remains still, or stable, and the raise up through the follow through looks effortless and clean.

In my video what you see is te weight transfer, the flying wedge going through then my head going down at impact then rotating underneath then raising back up after follow through. It as everything is fine in the backswing then u see the downswing the club coming into to impact and my head dips and turns out to follow the club then raises up to follow the club, nothing like what is shown on the video series. It looks terrible. I find that trying to control this dip leads to me releasing the flying wedge instead of maintaining it and basically destroys what ive been working towards.

Instead of maintaining the level then turning up from the same angle as demonstrated in the vids.

What is causing this dipping action im experiencing? Too much hip movement not enough arm or not enough rotation?

Thx guys

[Mark5]

The following statement has nothing to do with S&T.; I don't want to be giving swing advice......but, there's nobody else talking about how to have a respectible game with a failing body.

Weak wrists tend to uncock earlier throwing off the rest of the swing.  One compenation is to take a longer back swing to give more time for the other compensations that may be occuring to deal with other physical issues.  Not knowing what they are, I can't comment further.

It used to be popular with good woman golfers is to take a long backswing to cover the early wrist break, and rise to the toes on impact for more distance. As I age and stiffen I find myself doing this.

[grim golfer]

I appreciate the response but am looking for help with the swing problem, my wrists arent failing but they I do have slight tendonitis.

I just find that maintaining the wedge versus releasing the wrist cock is less severe with s&t; than the traditional swing, but my wrists still get somewhat sore.

I am just looking for advise on the head dipping problem as stated above

[boogielicious]

I found the best approach for me in starting with S&T is doing as the authors recommend.  Start with one component at a time, weight forward, hands deep, etc., and work from partial shots to full swing.  Don't try to employ all the components at one time.  It is a process that requires changing your former swing habits and will take time.  Thin shots could be from a couple of different causes that will become apparent from your video.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by grim golfer

What is causing this dipping action im experiencing? Too much hip movement not enough arm or not enough rotation?

Improper hip movement. Just a guess. Point everyone in this thread to your "My Swing (grim golfer)" thread when you create it.

Originally Posted by boogielicious

I found the best approach for me in starting with S&T is doing as the authors recommend.  Start with one component at a time, weight forward, hands deep, etc., and work from partial shots to full swing.  Don't try to employ all the components at one time.  It is a process that requires changing your former swing habits and will take time.  Thin shots could be from a couple of different causes that will become apparent from your video.

And grim golfer, read the above a few hundred times. ;-)

[The Gill]

Per the book, if you're maintaining your wedge and hitting it thin, try tucking your butt towards the end of your swing.

[Zeph]

From my own experience, two things can contribute.

Hips not forward enough, head moving forward or backward.

Could also be chicken wing or something like that, but we'd need to see a video.